Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational)
Reload this Page >

Looking for a mixed surface Gravel/street tires for a 30mm id rim

Search
Notices
Cyclocross and Gravelbiking (Recreational) This has to be the most physically intense sport ever invented. It's high speed bicycle racing on a short off road course or riding the off pavement rides on gravel like : "Unbound Gravel". We also have a dedicated Racing forum for the Cyclocross Hard Core Racers.

Looking for a mixed surface Gravel/street tires for a 30mm id rim

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-24-23, 06:54 AM
  #1  
DeoreDX
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 14
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 5 Posts
Looking for a mixed surface Gravel/street tires for a 30mm id rim

I entered a 60 mile gravel race and I don't actually own a gravel bike. I do own a Salsa Mukluk fat bike that I have built a set of 29" wheels for that I run with 29x2.5" Surly Extraterrestrial tires that I use as my do it all adventure bike. It's not fast (very upright position, heavy 1kg tires) but it's like a cross between a Cadillac and tank show and just plows over everything. Doing 60 miles on her isn't an issue. Doing it with speed an efficiently is. It's a far cry from a gravel racer and feel like I'm pedaling in quicksand in comparison.

I've slammed the stem to get a little more aero but I'd love to get some lighter faster running tires. The 30mm id rims are a problem though, I'm not sure how skinny of a tire I can put on them. I'd love to hear some tires suggestion, make/model/size that might work well for me. I'm worried about tire profile getting too square if I run anything smaller than a 2.1-2.2. I am running tubeless if that matters.
DeoreDX is offline  
Likes For DeoreDX:
Old 08-24-23, 07:38 AM
  #2  
msu2001la
Senior Member
 
msu2001la's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chicago, IL, USA
Posts: 2,881
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1461 Post(s)
Liked 1,486 Times in 870 Posts
Originally Posted by DeoreDX
The 30mm id rims are a problem though, I'm not sure how skinny of a tire I can put on them. I'd love to hear some tires suggestion, make/model/size that might work well for me. I'm worried about tire profile getting too square if I run anything smaller than a 2.1-2.2. I am running tubeless if that matters.
For reference - 2.1 inches is 53mm. You can go much narrower than this.

Are the rims hookless? Regardless, I think you could safely run something like a 38mm on a 30mm i.d. with no problems. You might even be able to go down to 35mm assuming you're keeping the tire pressure reasonable.

38mm Gravelkings are popular for mixed surfaces. If you don't need tread, you could check out Rene Herse - The Barlow Pass (also 38mm) likely checks all the boxes for you. It's light, fast and tubeless ready.
msu2001la is offline  
Old 08-24-23, 08:41 AM
  #3  
DeoreDX
Newbie
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 14
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 12 Times in 5 Posts
Originally Posted by msu2001la
For reference - 2.1 inches is 53mm. You can go much narrower than this.

Are the rims hookless? Regardless, I think you could safely run something like a 38mm on a 30mm i.d. with no problems. You might even be able to go down to 35mm assuming you're keeping the tire pressure reasonable.

38mm Gravelkings are popular for mixed surfaces. If you don't need tread, you could check out Rene Herse - The Barlow Pass (also 38mm) likely checks all the boxes for you. It's light, fast and tubeless ready.
The rims are hookless. With respect to width coming from the mountain bike background I know some mountain bike tires with the cornering knobs get a little weird when running on a narrower rim. Of course with a front fork wide enough to fit a 5" tire it will look a little strange
DeoreDX is offline  
Old 08-24-23, 09:56 AM
  #4  
cellery
Senior Member
 
cellery's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 816
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Liked 31 Times in 12 Posts
What you want is supple, slick to semi-slick rubber that allows for easy sidewall deflection and a contact patch that stays planted on hardpack. No big side knobs, no deep sipes. Just a no nonsense piece of flexible rubber, high TPI bigger than 44mm and smaller than like 2.2". The person above you might not be wrong that you can go down to a 38mm and probably be ok. The question is why would you? This will incur substantial suspension losses for a harsher ride, which makes you slower. The weight thing with tires has all but been disproven. As long as you're not going far past the width of your downtube, you're not incurring statistically significant aerodynamic liabilities. I'm as fast & efficient on 2.3"s as I was on 25mm tires - on pavement even. The real concerns are aerodynamics on such a bike and the wide range gear jumps of a mtb drivetrain which may be detrimental on the flats, but possibly a benefit on the climbs. I'd look into the following brands for tires - Rene Herse, Ultradynamico, Terravail, WTB - go with their most race oriented casing semi-slick. And then buy some clip on aero bars. Worry about getting into a 2x gearing if you get into serious racing.
cellery is offline  
Likes For cellery:
Old 08-25-23, 04:48 PM
  #5  
tangerineowl
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Oz
Posts: 938

Bikes: Curve Grovel v2 ti

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 257 Post(s)
Liked 91 Times in 75 Posts
They're not exactly a modern 'gravel' tyre, but I run the 2.2 SpeedKing Racesport tubeless quite a bit across road and mild gravel. About 460gm.
CST does a 550gm? 2.35 Control Beach. Around 60mm across.

Being fairly light tyres for those widths, they do have supple/thin casings; so how they'd hold up in a race situation across certain surfaces would be the luck of the draw perhaps.
On road, the SpeedKing is pretty fast.

Once heading in the direction of a tyre with more grip i.e. knobs, there are a small number of -once again- supple and fairly light options at 2.2/2.4+.
The Kenda Sabre Pro [in TR model] being one. Similar tread to the ThunderBurt.

Keep heading down the knobby path: more grip at more weight, and on a downhill rolling resistance line.

Conti RaceKing comes in a Racesport casing, but not sure if in bigger widths.

Last edited by tangerineowl; 08-25-23 at 04:50 PM. Reason: txt
tangerineowl is offline  
Old 08-25-23, 05:00 PM
  #6  
Polaris OBark
ignominious poltroon
 
Polaris OBark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Posts: 4,052
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2244 Post(s)
Liked 3,445 Times in 1,804 Posts
Take a look at the Rene Herse website. They have two specific tires made by Panaracer in a variety of diameters and widths up to 55mm, and four different casing strengths. I like the EL (extra lights) the best, as they are the most supple and enjoyably efficient to ride, but if you need puncture protection, there are more durable versions as well. I've got some of their 700C x 55mm Endurance Plus tires, both slick and treaded. They are a bit more ponderous, but might be what you would prefer.
Polaris OBark is offline  
Old 08-25-23, 05:09 PM
  #7  
Eric F 
Habitual User
 
Eric F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,997

Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4957 Post(s)
Liked 8,100 Times in 3,833 Posts
Efficient rolling, and still some good grip for cornering in the dirt...45mm Pirelli Gravel H (rear) and M (front). On a 30mm internal rim, they will probably measure a few mm over sticker. They're also very durable.
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
Eric F is offline  
Old 08-27-23, 05:49 PM
  #8  
dsaul
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: South Jersey
Posts: 2,266
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 714 Post(s)
Liked 800 Times in 475 Posts
I have a set of Terrene Elwood tough 700x40 tires mounted to some 29" 30mm internal MTB rims and they work great. I originally built the wheels as an alternate set for my 650b plus bike and never used them, so they got repurposed for one of my gravel builds.
dsaul is offline  
Old 08-29-23, 11:31 AM
  #9  
Clipped_in
Rubber side down
 
Clipped_in's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Teh Quickie Mart
Posts: 1,769

Bikes: are fun! :-)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5 Post(s)
Liked 225 Times in 105 Posts
Originally Posted by Eric F
Efficient rolling, and still some good grip for cornering in the dirt...45mm Pirelli Gravel H (rear) and M (front). On a 30mm internal rim, they will probably measure a few mm over sticker. They're also very durable.
I ride Pirelli Gravel H 40's front and rear on 25mm internal hookless and I like them a lot. I have about 5k miles on them. Easy to recommend.
Clipped_in is offline  
Old 08-29-23, 11:43 AM
  #10  
Eric F 
Habitual User
 
Eric F's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Altadena, CA
Posts: 7,997

Bikes: 2023 Niner RLT 9 RDO, 2018 Trek Procaliber 9.9 RSL, 2018 Storck Fascenario.3 Platinum, 2003 Time VX Special Pro, 2001 Colnago VIP, 1999 Trek 9900 singlespeed, 1977 Nishiki ONP

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4957 Post(s)
Liked 8,100 Times in 3,833 Posts
Originally Posted by Clipped_in
I ride Pirelli Gravel H 40's front and rear on 25mm internal hookless and I like them a lot. I have about 5k miles on them. Easy to recommend.
If they suit your terrain, they're a great choice! I really like the H/M combination for my local area because I like the grip of the M on the singletrack that spices up my local rides. I've used the H/M combination in both 35mm and 40mm. Right now, I'm using 36mm Challenge Getaway Pros. They roll as quickly as Pirelli H, and have almost as much cornering grip as the M...and they're lighter.
__________________
"Swedish fish. They're protein shaped." - livedarklions
Eric F is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.