Looking for interesting vintage hardtail MTBs...
09-28-19, 09:12 PM
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Look, wait, be patient, and get a pair of Schwinn Cimarron. I have one that fits me and for your planned use, they would be perfect. Mine is an 85 friction. If you want index...? Maybe their is one. I think 90s bikes need modifications for your use. Not this.
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Diamondback apex, ascent.
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Based on my limited experience with mountain bikes, my feeling is that you do not have to have the best of the best. Though certainly nothing fancy, this old Rocky Mountain Cardiac is a treat to ride and I have owned/ridden some pretty exotic high end road bicycles. Anyway, as found...
And as it is today. The bike is smooth, accelerates well (not as good as my roadies) and is both comfortable and easy to use (not Brifter easy but pretty darn good with those Suntour indexed Barcons)...
And as it is today. The bike is smooth, accelerates well (not as good as my roadies) and is both comfortable and easy to use (not Brifter easy but pretty darn good with those Suntour indexed Barcons)...
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Well, since Randy is kind of new to vintage MTBs, there are a couple of important reasons to aim higher on vintage MTB models.
Except for the collectible ones, the higher ones can be bought for the same price as the lower models. With a higher model, you get much better components, better frame, better everything. I see MTBs that originally sold for $900 at the same price as models that sold for $250. They tend to sell to recreational riders that do not appreciate the difference between Deore XT and Alivio.
Can you imagine getting a full Dura Ace road bike in similar condition to a SORA road bike for the same price? That is how the vintage mountain bike market is today. And some of the high end parts have good value.
Exceptions: Schwinn Cimarrons, early Stumpjumpers, and a few others bring a premium.
The first thing I look for on old MTBs are the pedals. The second thing are thumb shifters. The average buyers out there ("the competition") are not savvy about the parts. I bought a very lightly used 1990 XT MTB recently, pedals covered the price paid, and much of the rest of the parts went onto my Cimarron as a nifty upgrade. My Cimarron was a worn out $15 garage sale bike, so it needed some love (don't count on finding a Cimarron for $15). The wheels, crankset, and rear derailleur all went onto my Cimarron.
88 Cimarron 2019 Version by wrk101, on Flickr
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1988 Cimmaron LE as found by wrk101, on Flickr
Except for the collectible ones, the higher ones can be bought for the same price as the lower models. With a higher model, you get much better components, better frame, better everything. I see MTBs that originally sold for $900 at the same price as models that sold for $250. They tend to sell to recreational riders that do not appreciate the difference between Deore XT and Alivio.
Can you imagine getting a full Dura Ace road bike in similar condition to a SORA road bike for the same price? That is how the vintage mountain bike market is today. And some of the high end parts have good value.
Exceptions: Schwinn Cimarrons, early Stumpjumpers, and a few others bring a premium.
The first thing I look for on old MTBs are the pedals. The second thing are thumb shifters. The average buyers out there ("the competition") are not savvy about the parts. I bought a very lightly used 1990 XT MTB recently, pedals covered the price paid, and much of the rest of the parts went onto my Cimarron as a nifty upgrade. My Cimarron was a worn out $15 garage sale bike, so it needed some love (don't count on finding a Cimarron for $15). The wheels, crankset, and rear derailleur all went onto my Cimarron.
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09-29-19, 07:50 AM
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Note on terminology:
Hardtail means suspension front fork. If you don't need one, don't bother. They add weight, most on the older bikes are slap wore out. Avoid.
Rigid frame means no suspension. That is the sweet spot IMHO.
Hardtail means suspension front fork. If you don't need one, don't bother. They add weight, most on the older bikes are slap wore out. Avoid.
Rigid frame means no suspension. That is the sweet spot IMHO.
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Thanks for all the info including the terminology! I wondered if I was using 'hardtail' correctly. It seemed to be thrown around onto any older MTB.
('Hardtail' on electric guitars means one that does not have a tremolo tailpiece...but it only applies to guitars that usually would have one, like a Fender Stratocaster.)
Yes, what I'm looking for is 'rigid,' no suspension.
One of the PDG bikes I'm trying to get to see is, I think, a 1993 R50, which 'should' not have a suspension fork, yet this one does. And that's a drawback: I don't need it and it'll add weight.
('Hardtail' on electric guitars means one that does not have a tremolo tailpiece...but it only applies to guitars that usually would have one, like a Fender Stratocaster.)
Yes, what I'm looking for is 'rigid,' no suspension.
One of the PDG bikes I'm trying to get to see is, I think, a 1993 R50, which 'should' not have a suspension fork, yet this one does. And that's a drawback: I don't need it and it'll add weight.
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Well, since Randy is kind of new to vintage MTBs, there are a couple of important reasons to aim higher on vintage MTB models.
Except for the collectible ones, the higher ones can be bought for the same price as the lower models. With a higher model, you get much better components, better frame, better everything. I see MTBs that originally sold for $900 at the same price as models that sold for $250. They tend to sell to recreational riders that do not appreciate the difference between Deore XT and Alivio.
Except for the collectible ones, the higher ones can be bought for the same price as the lower models. With a higher model, you get much better components, better frame, better everything. I see MTBs that originally sold for $900 at the same price as models that sold for $250. They tend to sell to recreational riders that do not appreciate the difference between Deore XT and Alivio.
As for most suspension bikes, they do tend to see the suspensions wear out long before the rest of the bike it worthy to be considered dump fodder. Though not much of one, I am a road bike enthusiast, which is too bad as I passed up a Richey or Brodie, at the dump, only a week or so ago.
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If you want light as originally stated, mid 90's is the ideal period. As said here 900 series treks are great and can be found with hardtails. 930's are usually the most prevalent. Cannondales from that period are great too. M1000, M700, M500 and killer V's. Look for stuff with solid forks not shocks. Mongoose IBOC, Rockadiles, Schwinn Moab's were high production models.
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The first thing I look for on old MTBs are the pedals.
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09-29-19, 09:48 AM
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For something light, I suggest a LATE '80's - '90's bike and adapting the cockpit to make it as upright as you like with the right bar/stem combo. By this time the mountain bike ideal was based on NORBA race bikes - shorter wheelbases, lighter frames, more aggressive (lower and more forward, similar to road bike position) geometry, long stems and narrow flat handlebars and lighter parts. If I were looking for something both fast and comfortable I'd go this route (or a hybrid or sport touring frame.)
For something "cruising ready" the '80's bikes are good - longer wheelbases, upright bars (bullmose!), heavier frames and parts. In the early days mountain bikes were designed to be versatile and heavy duty. I run a mid-eighties Norco as my basket/baby carrying bike and it's great for the task. It's way more comfortable and stable than fast and nimble.
For something "cruising ready" the '80's bikes are good - longer wheelbases, upright bars (bullmose!), heavier frames and parts. In the early days mountain bikes were designed to be versatile and heavy duty. I run a mid-eighties Norco as my basket/baby carrying bike and it's great for the task. It's way more comfortable and stable than fast and nimble.
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09-29-19, 10:17 AM
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I realize you said they are rare in your area, but can't say enough about an Bridgestone MB-3 if you can get one. It is what I ride mainly (for the upright positioning) with tires for flat/gravel. Upgraded the wheels and from 7 to 8 speed as the original rim finally failed and got a deal on some LX hubs with velocity rims, but otherwise is mostly stock. Toying with going to drop bars, but have enough drop bar projects, so I likely won't.
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I'm looking for a couple of medium size MTBs (17"?) to convert to upright riding, gravel trails and so on with my wife. Not 'real' MTB riding, no shocks needed, but good tubing, relatively light weight, good components.
As a C&V guy, of course they have to be something...you know, COOL. Not actually rare or 'collectible'. Hopefully a 'ladies' model for my wife, which will make things harder.
Would also consider early hybrids like the Bridgestone X or Miyata -Cross bikes.
And oh yeah, I'm cheap!
Obviously Chicago was not a huge MTB site so pickings here are pretty slim. ;- )
A friend has a Bridgestone MB-3 but it's too small, otherwise that brand is rarely seen here, unfortunately.
I am partial to Miyata so an Elevation or the earlier -Runner series could work.
There are three Paramount PDGs (supposedly) for sale locally but the sellers don't even respond to messages
I see from threads here that the Univega Alpina is well regarded--and they have a Miyata frame!--but they're rarely seen here.
Obviously the Stumpjumper is classic, but prices seem to reflect that.
What else should I be looking for?
As a C&V guy, of course they have to be something...you know, COOL. Not actually rare or 'collectible'. Hopefully a 'ladies' model for my wife, which will make things harder.
Would also consider early hybrids like the Bridgestone X or Miyata -Cross bikes.
And oh yeah, I'm cheap!
Obviously Chicago was not a huge MTB site so pickings here are pretty slim. ;- )
A friend has a Bridgestone MB-3 but it's too small, otherwise that brand is rarely seen here, unfortunately.
I am partial to Miyata so an Elevation or the earlier -Runner series could work.
There are three Paramount PDGs (supposedly) for sale locally but the sellers don't even respond to messages
I see from threads here that the Univega Alpina is well regarded--and they have a Miyata frame!--but they're rarely seen here.
Obviously the Stumpjumper is classic, but prices seem to reflect that.
What else should I be looking for?
Cheap, good, light, cool?Pick one, maybe two.
I have a Schwinn Sierra and High Sierra bare frames for cost of shipping plus $20 each packing.
One is pretty small, black, one normal smallish, maroon.
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And just for fun,
1982 Jim Merz, one of about 10 built according to him.
1982 Jim Merz, one of about 10 built according to him.
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Obviously Chicago was not a huge MTB site so pickings here are pretty slim. ;- )
I dunno, these were on the first page of your CL when I used "mountain" as a search.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/b...988993802.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...987445643.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...988933209.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...987029520.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/b...988837497.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/b...983683804.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...985932629.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/b...973824251.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/b...988370730.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/b...986270149.html
I dunno, these were on the first page of your CL when I used "mountain" as a search.
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/b...988993802.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...987445643.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...988933209.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...987029520.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/b...988837497.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/b...983683804.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/b...985932629.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/b...973824251.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/b...988370730.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/b...986270149.html
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Kona, if you can find a 1990s era Race Light version, like the Lava Dome Race Light. Those weigh about 25 lbs. Sweet bikes, often very reasonably priced in some areas.
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Holey carp! Yes please. I wish we had bikes like that here. Well, we do, but they're mostly under homeless folks, doing what they were built do do. Seriously, except for those "women's" bikes, those were pretty sweet! I do love my Rockhopper and my Trek 930 (both of which have "men's" frames, BTW), but I do like that Raleigh.
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I have a 93 PDG R50. It definitely came with a rigid fork. That bike rides great. If the owner still has the original fork, it would be worth a look.
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Funnily enough I just went and checked the High Sierra ('ladies') I bought last weekend and it's 17". Seems very small, but the only other 'ladies' frame for that bike is 21". Wife has a 21" frame mixte road bike, which is an unusually large mixte, though not a whole lot of seatpost exposed there. So a 17" mountain bike 'should' be right.
But she reports that on the High Sierra, with seatpost extended so that her leg extension was right, she felt crowded, like her knees came up too far in front. Maybe we're just not used to mtn bike fitting, and may need to look at it again.
Or possibly something like the Trek Multitrack hybrid (700c) due route suggests is a good, more comfortable option, there certainly are lots of them for sale.
Still hoping the guy with the Paramount PDGs will assent to at least letting me see them. Can't figure out why he keeps relisting them on CL if he doesn't want to sell...IS IT ONE OF YOU???
But she reports that on the High Sierra, with seatpost extended so that her leg extension was right, she felt crowded, like her knees came up too far in front. Maybe we're just not used to mtn bike fitting, and may need to look at it again.
Or possibly something like the Trek Multitrack hybrid (700c) due route suggests is a good, more comfortable option, there certainly are lots of them for sale.
Still hoping the guy with the Paramount PDGs will assent to at least letting me see them. Can't figure out why he keeps relisting them on CL if he doesn't want to sell...IS IT ONE OF YOU???
CL Chicago is rampant of scams and harvesters of others phone numbers. I recently listed and sold a motorized wheelchair but a great hassle weeding out the scams.
Now for the sellers, and specifically the two PDG's, I DO NOT KNOW but have seen many listings recently of high end modern MTB's that are scams. Many are flagged daily on Chicago CL. Caveat the deals that seem too good when you attempt to contact the sham seller. They only harvest your contact info.
I spotted a like new 2018 Yeti Betti for only $1k. A $3,000+ bike used, it was flagged and removed. There were top end 2018-19 Specialized and others / $3500 - $7k all listed in the $1000-$1200 range. Usually one picture and poorly written description.
Also, since I browse CL listings and specific makes, a while back found my own Colnago listed! Someone yanked a picture of my bike- likely from Flkr or thus forum and posted it on CL. Arghhhh!
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Great, thanks for the kind offer.
I'll PP you $20 plus shipping right away.
Heck, I'll make it $25.
;- )
Seriously, I see something like that and I get more ambitious in what I'd like to find.
I'll PP you $20 plus shipping right away.
Heck, I'll make it $25.
;- )
Seriously, I see something like that and I get more ambitious in what I'd like to find.
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I have a Bridgestone MB-5 here, kind of rough, but a nice riding bike.
Has double eyelets at the forkends - easy to mount rack and fenders if you want.
It also uses a 1" threaded headset. My Trek is 1 1/8" threaded, making stem choices limited.
Someone built a gorgeous Schwinn Cimarron here a while back - light blue. Can't recall the user name.
Has double eyelets at the forkends - easy to mount rack and fenders if you want.
It also uses a 1" threaded headset. My Trek is 1 1/8" threaded, making stem choices limited.
Someone built a gorgeous Schwinn Cimarron here a while back - light blue. Can't recall the user name.
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Hence the ;- ) which may have been too subtle. I tried to give an idea of the kind of bikes I was particularly interested in and asked about more along those lines. It's not that there aren't bikes out there, of course there are, but most of those you linked are not that 'interesting' to me, rightly or wrongly. For example anything with grip shifters is out.
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Here's your Schwinn PDG seller, apparently ready for the Summer bike buyer rush. Has other listings. Why is it continually relisted? Why no answer to replies or of potential buyers?
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/b...989170353.html
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/b...989170353.html
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