I bought the gruppo, you pick out the frame.
10-07-19, 07:18 PM
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Gruppo is just Italian for group...but over the years, gruppo has just became a standard term. Either word is fine, but a campy group is almost always referred to as gruppo, whereas other non-Italian part groups are more commonly called groupsets (but many of us just use gruppo for everything).
It’s all semantics, and it doesn’t matter.
It’s all semantics, and it doesn’t matter.
That’s a reasonable (way to) answer.
10-07-19, 07:32 PM
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10-07-19, 07:38 PM
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No, be careful here! The Ironman will accept a BSC BB cartridge. The OP needs to see what threading/BB shell width his bottom bracket on hand is made for. Another key interface is bottom bracket: is this a Record chainset? It looks good enough to be one, 52/42 or 53/39. If it is a Record (and for most model years this works for Chorus), the BB length that fits it properly to a frame is 102 mm. If it is a lower grade than Chorus, it could need the Campagnolo 111 mm spindle width.
Nothing against the Ironman, but as good as it is it's not an Eytalian. So be careful.
If it's an Italian BB, find a nice Mondonico with original fork. They're not too common, but also not too dear.
Nothing against the Ironman, but as good as it is it's not an Eytalian. So be careful.
If it's an Italian BB, find a nice Mondonico with original fork. They're not too common, but also not too dear.
"Never heard of a Mondonico, now they're giving 'em away!"
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Ok So on the subject of learning...
THIS is fascinating;
Blind testing of seven handmade bikes, all brazed by the same guy (Mauro Mondonico) , but with different Columbus tubesets.
What could be more interesting to a group of weird people with a weird fascination about handmade steel structures?
https://stahlrahmen-bikes.de/wp-cont..._Vergleich.pdf
THIS is fascinating;
Blind testing of seven handmade bikes, all brazed by the same guy (Mauro Mondonico) , but with different Columbus tubesets.
What could be more interesting to a group of weird people with a weird fascination about handmade steel structures?
https://stahlrahmen-bikes.de/wp-cont..._Vergleich.pdf
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The big question is,,What size are you?
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I recommend a pre-1900 Mead, Iver Johnson or Columbia diamond frame. Yes, you'll likely have to retap the bottom bracket threads, but you will win the the retro-roadies thread when you post it up there.
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Bike guys are always in need of Tubes...
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Gruppo is just Italian for group...but over the years, gruppo has just became a standard term. Either word is fine, but a campy group is almost always referred to as gruppo, whereas other non-Italian part groups are more commonly called groupsets (but many of us just use gruppo for everything).
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A little bit about myself: I am partial to all things Italian, long walks on the beach, and puppies. I am also a Campy FanBoy. I do have a Bianchi Squadra frame en route to myself from C&V marketplace, but maybe it is appropriate, or maybe it is not.
You might want to consider looking for a red, yellow, or white frame to go with the black levers. Black rims would complement the levers in one of those color schemes. I'm in the middle of building up wheels with DT Swiss R460 rims for my Bianchi. I think they look right-ish for a very late steel-era build and are a great value.
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I like Campy Ergo stuff on nearly any bike, and the second generation hood shape like you've got there is my favorite. I've got it on everything from a 197x Stella to 1989 Bianchi. On the other hand, the closest bike I have to the right year for your gruppo is my 1997 Colnago and I went with Shimano on that one -- mostly because it's what I had on hand at the time, but justified by the fact that Colnago sponsored pro teams were using Shimano by then.
You might want to consider looking for a red, yellow, or white frame to go with the black levers. Black rims would complement the levers in one of those color schemes. I'm in the middle of building up wheels with DT Swiss R460 rims for my Bianchi. I think they look right-ish for a very late steel-era build and are a great value.
You might want to consider looking for a red, yellow, or white frame to go with the black levers. Black rims would complement the levers in one of those color schemes. I'm in the middle of building up wheels with DT Swiss R460 rims for my Bianchi. I think they look right-ish for a very late steel-era build and are a great value.
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Personally I prefer the up-snooted "gruppo."
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I did not accuse you of inventing or even using the word. I should have used "one" when speaking of the impersonal "you," and this one will not comment on where modern populism has landed us.
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A lot of us have extra frames we're sitting on (stuff we're not actively selling, but would move on)...post a wanted with size and preferences in the ISO/trade sticky. You'll almost assuredly get some interesting offers.
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Gotta go checko my gruppo. Later-o!
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Being a traditionalist - carbon brake levers connote a carbon frame; 90's Colnago preferably, or at least round tubes as this IS C&V, after all.
Regarding gruppo/groupset/group/gruppolito = anyone using any of these terms correctly in a conversation gets my thumbs up. Even if they are up-snoot. In fact, a conversation with a well informed up-snoot is usually better than one with your average Joe DeSnoot, about C&V bicycles that is. As for drinking buddies, I'd take Joe.
Regarding gruppo/groupset/group/gruppolito = anyone using any of these terms correctly in a conversation gets my thumbs up. Even if they are up-snoot. In fact, a conversation with a well informed up-snoot is usually better than one with your average Joe DeSnoot, about C&V bicycles that is. As for drinking buddies, I'd take Joe.
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(1 better than 2 thumbs up)Those hoods on my 3 newest roadie frames and the '78 Batavus.
Come to think of it = maybe OP needs an ORANGE bike. (where's that pic?)
not the best, but quick.
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Wheels and/or hubs are the tough part now. In the last 3 days, three Campagnolo Record 9-11 hubsets have slipped through my fingers on ebay, because I don't know the market yet, for when to click "buy it now" or sit back and back and watch someone else buy the hubs while I make a mental note on pricing.