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Old 04-07-20, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by repechage
Interesting. Most of the bike I have been able to measure are in the 72-73 mm of drop from the Milano or Carlsbad era.
Two attributed to Dave Tesch look like they were out of the 101 series design, "Built for Speed".... I wonder if anyone was aware.
It is also possible that these geometry variations are based on building inconsistencies. Some time ago there was a private email group that owned Italian Masis and there were variations between frames that were obviously not planned. Also there can be measuring variations based on whatever method was used. As a framebuilder I would be interested in the methods used to make the frames. This information can be well hidden.
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Old 04-08-20, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Doug Fattic
It is also possible that these geometry variations are based on building inconsistencies. Some time ago there was a private email group that owned Italian Masis and there were variations between frames that were obviously not planned. Also there can be measuring variations based on whatever method was used. As a framebuilder I would be interested in the methods used to make the frames. This information can be well hidden.
As Masi Milano was subcontracting out frames, indeed- plenty of variables.
The jig frames imported from Italy were not all usable. Maybe there was a reason that the frames built under Falerio's watch at Carlsbad are in the middle size ranges, Masi Measure 57, 56, 58. (maybe around for the 59's)

Brian Baylis reported and I saw the same, forks were brazed up with straight blades, the rake was introduced after, a nice stout little fixture, hooked the dropouts, long cheater tube over the steerer and persuade them into shape.
There was a check gauge for evaluating the resultant parabolic curve, but it did not look to me much more than a check of fairness of form.
Brian mentioned the Falerio added an extra umph at the end to crank a bit more at the crown. I visited after Falerio had returned to Italy.
the rear triangles I saw went together with the dropout brazed to the chainstay, filed clean, then the seat stay brazed in - obviously an angle was set or known for that batch.
Chainstays were added after the main triangle was together. I was told the seat stays to seat lug were last. At the times I was there, done by Mario. I guessed the reheating of the seatlug was late enough in the process that scrapping a frame would be costly. I did not ask when the rear bridge was added or the chainstay bridge.
Mario appeared to inspect any brazed sub assemblies, and the reject can was not empty.
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Old 07-19-20, 10:03 PM
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David,
Do you know of any Richard Moon bicycles around that might be available or would you condier selling yours?
I live in San Luis Obispo, California

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Old 07-19-20, 10:10 PM
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Wizard-Can you see the serial number on the bottom bracket area

not many Wizards were made and only a few that exist... less than 20...
This looks like one of the very early ones! Check the serial number on the bottom bracket.

I have 5 Wizards including #3 and the very last one that Brian made. His frames are masterpieces. All unique and special.
The last one I found was at a garage sale!

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Old 07-19-20, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by jgerpheide
not many Wizards were made and only a few that exist... less than 20...
This looks like one of the very early ones! Check the serial number on the bottom bracket.

I have 5 Wizards including #3 and the very last one that Brian made. His frames are masterpieces. All unique and special.
The last one I found was at a garage sale!

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20 seems a bit short. But the biz was under capitalized.
i can account for 4, no idea where two went after the original owner, dark blue- handsome bikes but the original owner cut the steerer too short for a Shimano headset - way short- he had Art Stump drill the top cup for a set screw to hold it together. As it was a track bike it to the best of my knowledge worked. An O ring covered the raw steerer end.
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Old 07-20-20, 09:38 AM
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on the subject of "Wizards: Where Are They Now?"...

At the 2016 Classic Rendezvous gathering, there was a display in memory of Brian Baylis. Among the other bikes he had built, there were two Wizards on display. Here are a few photos of them...

the Blue with Yellow Wizard...















...and let me do the other Wizard in another post.....

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Old 07-20-20, 09:39 AM
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and now... the green 35th Anniversary Wizard.






























That's a lot of photos, but probably not enough to capture all of the detail and care evident in these bikes.

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Old 07-22-20, 11:12 AM
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I remember back in 1979 or ‘80 that Ralph Carnevale had a pink Wizard frame for sale in his shop in Huntington Beach, CA. I always wondered what happened to that frame.
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Old 07-22-20, 12:45 PM
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Would you be interested in selling this Wizard bike?

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That one is pristine!
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My Dad is interested in selling his Wizard. DM for details if you'd like
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Old 03-28-23, 04:10 PM
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Would love to see your Wizard collection and show my dad some photos. My dad has one and is thinking of selling but it's hard to let go.
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Old 04-02-23, 07:38 PM
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I am interested in your dads Wizard. Can you send me some pictures and a description.
My e mail is j1gerpheide@yahoo.com
cell # 805-234-1036

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Please call or text me at 805-234-1036 I am in San Luis Obispo California
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Old 04-03-23, 06:35 AM
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Just to add more fuel to the Wizard lustfire, #26. Not for sale...


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A few Wizards that I ride and show off a little

Can you call or text me at 805-234-1036 or e-mail j1gerpheide@yahoo.com I would like to talk with you about your Wizard
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Would love to see your Wizard collection and show my dad some photos. My dad has one and is thinking of selling but it's hard to let go.





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Old 04-03-23, 03:56 PM
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Is that your shoe for clips/straps? What model is it?
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Very nice bikes!
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Is that your shoe for clips/straps? What model is it?
Just FYI, this is a three-year-old thread and that guy hasn't been around much.
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Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
this is a three-year-old thread.
Thanks.

But, three years? To me, that's like three weeks. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by SurferRosa
Thanks.

But, three years? To me, that's like three weeks. Seriously.

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Time after COVId is different from a relativity standpoint, I agree.

Baylis’ bikes are pure art. Just amazing.
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