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Old 02-22-16, 10:52 PM
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Junior (Brandon) laps P123 field

I thought he might need his own thread.
LUX rider, Junior National TT champ, Brandon just gets stronger. Best American at Valley of the Sun P1, two weeks later laps P123 field at CBR. Racing age 18.
He did a 484W 33.9mph lap on his Tarmac.
https://www.strava.com/segments/679311?filter=overall
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Good lord.

He was with a group right? Or was that solo??
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
Good lord.

He was with a group right? Or was that solo??
Looks like last lap solo when it was time to drop the pro.

No question he is special, but I think the P1s still need to learn who he is and may have given him some chances they may not in the future.
Although he is stronger this year than last I expect riding away in Europe will be more difficult as I'm sure his name is on a lot of white boards - this year.

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that is some seriously wtf speed/power. I mean, lots of guys can do that power for a minute but to get that pace out of it is insane if he was solo. It would be hard to believe except I was personally abused by him at San Dimas last year and he wins everything he's entered in.

when he's in the TdF in a year or two I'm going to really enjoy telling the story of how I guttered him into a shrub at the San Dimas crit last year so he couldn't solo-counter the break I was in to win all three races.

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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I thought he might need his own thread.
LUX rider, Junior National TT champ, Brandon just gets stronger. Best American at Valley of the Sun P1, two weeks later laps P123 field at CBR. Racing age 18.
He did a 484W 33.9mph lap on his Tarmac.
https://www.strava.com/segments/679311?filter=overall
That's a lot of power.
We ride/race with US National champ under 15, though tiny he has a promising future
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I remember one time Brandon was really hurting us on the front of a group ride and instead of making a left turn, he went straight at a light and we all looked at each other like should we say anything? Finally someone yelled so he could hear and turn around, he passed us again like we were pedaling backwards. It's great that he is having so much success!
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I thought he might need his own thread.
LUX rider, Junior National TT champ, Brandon just gets stronger. Best American at Valley of the Sun P1, two weeks later laps P123 field at CBR. Racing age 18.
He did a 484W 33.9mph lap on his Tarmac.
https://www.strava.com/segments/679311?filter=overall
You may have seen this video? check out the shoulder check at 1:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4NEDKy0898
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
I thought he might need his own thread.
LUX rider, Junior National TT champ, Brandon just gets stronger. Best American at Valley of the Sun P1, two weeks later laps P123 field at CBR. Racing age 18.
He did a 484W 33.9mph lap on his Tarmac.
https://www.strava.com/segments/679311?filter=overall
Wow, that is fast. He must have been using aero bars!
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Old 02-23-16, 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rideaz View Post
You may have seen this video? check out the shoulder check at 1:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4NEDKy0898
Had not seen it. Funny - that was Mathew Ly - I think. Pretty tame for Mathew. @mattm - there is your video.
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how many crashes do they have with those cones on the course.
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I got to ride against Craddock and Haga in Tejas. This confirmed my conviction that I despise natural talent.


Or more like unnatural talent.
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Originally Posted by rideaz View Post
You may have seen this video? check out the shoulder check at 1:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4NEDKy0898
Ha - guess I don't know my own kid. His socks matched - what is up with that?
As reported at dinner that was the final 5 laps after the bumping rider (UCI pro Hilton Clarke) wanted to keep Daniel out of their train before the final sprint. He thought it was fine and no big deal.
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Originally Posted by Racer Ex View Post
I got to ride against Craddock and Haga in Tejas. This confirmed my conviction that I despise natural talent.


Or more like unnatural talent.
I'm thinking USA has not had this talent at U18 in a couple decades.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Ha - guess I don't know my own kid. His socks matched - what is up with that?
As reported at dinner that was the final 5 laps after the bumping rider (UCI pro Hilton Clarke) wanted to keep Daniel out of their train before the final sprint. He thought it was fine and no big deal.
Interesting that he thought it was fine. That looked super blatant and unnecessary (and dangerous).
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Originally Posted by canuckbelle View Post
Interesting that he thought it was fine. That looked super blatant and unnecessary (and dangerous).
Probably wasn't necessary, but wasn't particularly dangerous. Just letting the kid know there's no easy wheel to get.
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What is acceptable I've seen vary by level and location. He says as long as everyone has hands on the bar and the head isn't used body checks are done all the time. The teammate I originally though it was, is known for responding (which surprised me there was no response) and gets busted by dad when the Facebook pictures show up.
As a pro in a mixed field (P123) I think that was an unwise move because a rider not used to that might take it as aggression and respond in a truly unsporting/unprofessional way.
When racing with Brandon the kids often play a, safe, disruptive role. Daniel said the bump was valid because he was trying to interrupt their train. Obviously they knew that and as this was the end of the race I'mm sure there is some history. I do not hear the kids were jerks, or dangerous, or lacked class so to me it is part of the chess match.
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Originally Posted by canuckbelle View Post
Interesting that he thought it was fine. That looked super blatant and unnecessary (and dangerous).
It's pretty standard stuff - if you're hovering around a leadout train, and the train knows what they're doing, you should be ready for some kind of move to get you to go away.

It's their job to do it, and your job to ignore it and/or fight back in that situation. At least that's my take.
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
What is acceptable I've seen vary by level and location. He says as long as everyone has hands on the bar and the head isn't used body checks are done all the time. The teammate I originally though it was, is known for responding (which surprised me there was no response) and gets busted by dad when the Facebook pictures show up.
As a pro in a mixed field (P123) I think that was an unwise move because a rider not used to that might take it as aggression and respond in a truly unsporting/unprofessional way.
When racing with Brandon the kids often play a, safe, disruptive role. Daniel said the bump was valid because he was trying to interrupt their train. Obviously they knew that and as this was the end of the race I'mm sure there is some history. I do not hear the kids were jerks, or dangerous, or lacked class so to me it is part of the chess match.
You'll see plenty of that kind of stuff in the p12's up here as well. It's when guys take their hands of the bars and shove that pisses me off.
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It's pretty standard stuff - if you're hovering around a leadout train, and the train knows what they're doing, you should be ready for some kind of move to get you to go away.

It's their job to do it, and your job to ignore it and/or fight back in that situation. At least that's my take.
+1

To me that was just a firm signal. I wouldn't do it, but basically nothing happened, meaning he didn't gutter the LUX rider or anything.

Leaning hard on someone's side/back for 5-8 seconds, hard slaps on helmet, jerks on hand/wrist holding bar, pulls on elbow, head into shoulder (for more than just regaining balance), prolonged push on forearm/tricep (few seconds), hard swerve of a few feet when someone is on your wheel... those are dirty moves that I've received personally. I haven't seen them in a while. In fact I haven't seen any dirty moves since end of 2009 which is when I started wearing a helmet cam.

For me the scariest or most dangerous were the hard jerks to my hand/wrist and forearm. If the rider had pulled my hand outward I'd have steered and crashed. Instead he hit down pretty hard, so less steering input. It was a very effective way to distract me.

The one that was most degrading were the helmet slaps. Same rider, multiple times over about 20 minutes of a race. He did most of the other stuff, brake check at 45 mph on a descent after he attacked, etc. I ended up crashing out in the sprint, he was so intent on marking me he went down with me. We were both fine but I was laughing at the karma. My teammate, in the break, got the points he needed to upgrade. The guy doing all the nasty stuff was on the ground next to me.
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Saw that. Idk how one gets that aero. Give me 150 extra watts and I won't be that fast. The winner of the 3/4 would have been 34th.
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Saw that. Idk how one gets that aero. Give me 150 extra watts and I won't be that fast. The winner of the 3/4 would have been 34th.
dunno if it's apples to apples, but some of those p123 guys within the top 34 were on road bikes. some with clips on and some without.

also it would appear that brandon has all the aeros but also all the watts. That strava file that doge posted a while back, (and strava weight is always in question), brandon was world class power watts/kilo when he was lapping the field.
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All the best guys have the best stuff. And stuff is part of the sport. Brandon is World Class - at 17. Which, was the reason for the thread. He is the worlds #1 junior and like the current and prior World Champions - Sagan and Kwakow...(just like it sounds), Brandon won the Peace Race - except at 17. It is impossible to tell where development will end. He's only as good as the best USA pros now, but he should be watched. Two years ago my son beat him in the VOS TT and Nat RR, but teens change and Brandon did. If you enjoy seeing the words best cyclists, watch.

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