How do you transition from racer to enthusiast rider?
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I used to be a competitive runner back in college and post college for a few years. Managed to just barely get under 30 minutes for the 10,000m and some low 14's for the 5,000m. I understand the "competitive" nature of the racing and training. For me, when I knew I didn't want to run competitively anymore, I stopped cold turkey. I took two years completely off and just focused on job and career. After adding a few too many pounds I decided to get back into running but toned it way down, running maybe a quarter of the mileage of what I used to do. I tended to run fast but only 3-4 miles at a time. It was later that I got into mtn biking and then later road cycling. I even raced mtn bikes for a little bit. Now, I primarily focus on road riding and don't mtn bike at all. I still run but much slower and not as far. I'm probably a better biker than runner now! I generally ride solo most of the time but do join in on some club rides now and then. I generally ride at 17-21mph with 19 being the average. I don't do a lot of "event" rides but have notched five RAMROD'S (152 miles and 10,000ft of climbing in a day) over the past 10 years. Not bad for a guy who turned 60 this past summer.
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Could get a semi recumbent. I love my bike but heck it is SLOW. I ride with friends and we chat, that slows it down too. And I ride so I do not have to get my knees replaced. They were supposed to be a few years ago by what the Dr said but so far-so good. The back is another issue, thus the funky bike.
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I ride vintage racing bikes because of the way they fit. I am 6’ and have a 35” inseam so very short trunked. The tighter cockpit with longer seat tube is very comfortable. I had a friend who built his own frames back in the seventies and he did centuries a lot . He fitted me to my first racer and I would street race anyone who was on the road. Sometime in my fifties I decided to let that go and enjoy the ride. I am 65 now and still push myself but I don’t worry if someone passes me. I also started a vintage racing bike collection and spend some time wrenching on them. I still ride quite a bit and occasionally I will find myself pacing another rider and even passing them just to prove to myself I can. It’s an ego thing , but most of the time it’s about the ride and scenery . Joe. joesvintageroadbikes.wordpress
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I ride vintage racing bikes because of the way they fit. I am 6’ and have a 35” inseam so very short trunked. The tighter cockpit with longer seat tube is very comfortable. I had a friend who built his own frames back in the seventies and he did centuries a lot . He fitted me to my first racer and I would street race anyone who was on the road. Sometime in my fifties I decided to let that go and enjoy the ride. I am 65 now and still push myself but I don’t worry if someone passes me. I also started a vintage racing bike collection and spend some time wrenching on them. I still ride quite a bit and occasionally I will find myself pacing another rider and even passing them just to prove to myself I can. It’s an ego thing , but most of the time it’s about the ride and scenery . Joe. joesvintageroadbikes.wordpress
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I enjoyed racing even though I sucked at it.
I excel at being an enthusiast; that made the transition easier.
I excel at being an enthusiast; that made the transition easier.
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OP, unless you can find a group as fit and competitive as yourself, you probably would be well-served to try and stop being 'that guy' who has to win every ride, even the 'social' ones. When I was in a club many years ago I did not appreciate the 'fast guys' taking off and leaving everybody else. This ain't the frickin' Tour, ya know? Recreational riders are concerned about fitness - its the main reason we ride, but most of us are looking for the group to more or less stay together. These rides should not be races. Its fine if you want to race, just make sure that everyone in that group also wants to race.
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1saxman brings up a good point and reminds me that you can still get a really good workout just by staying at the front and pulling the group around. That's your steady state workout. For high intensity intervals, let yourself get dropped and chase back on.
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OP, unless you can find a group as fit and competitive as yourself, you probably would be well-served to try and stop being 'that guy' who has to win every ride, even the 'social' ones. When I was in a club many years ago I did not appreciate the 'fast guys' taking off and leaving everybody else. This ain't the frickin' Tour, ya know? Recreational riders are concerned about fitness - its the main reason we ride, but most of us are looking for the group to more or less stay together. These rides should not be races. Its fine if you want to race, just make sure that everyone in that group also wants to race.
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I live on the side of Mount Soledad and climb it all the time and no one wants selfies with me. Did it this AM. I need to do 5xSoledad to equal one Diablo. I never thought that I would say this but I miss Mount Diablo. There I said it.
My wife likes selfies with me at the top of Soledad.
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Now that I'm approaching 60, I think I've decided that it's time to grow up. For decades, I've raced bikes of some sort. Kept a meticulous daily training log. Tracked my ATL and CTL every single day. No . . . didn't just track them. Lived by them. Obsessively. Feared what would happen if I missed a workout. Lived in terror of a missed week. And, approaching 60, the consequences of missed workouts just become greater. For 2020, I just plan to ride two gran fondos and lots of weekly group rides. No racing. (But I still like riding hard group rides with the fast young guys.)
But here's my question: How do I stop the daily obsession and the need to be fast? It's practically a lifelong habit. A lot of my identity has been wrapped up in it. And I suspect I will have to cut down radically on caloric intake to maintain a decent body composition. How do you happily move from obsessively-trained racer to being a respectable enthusiast rider (with a better life-training balance)? If it were a bad habit, it would be easier to quit cold turkey. But I don't want to quit cycling. I just want to enjoy it in a new, better balanced way. Is it possible?
But here's my question: How do I stop the daily obsession and the need to be fast? It's practically a lifelong habit. A lot of my identity has been wrapped up in it. And I suspect I will have to cut down radically on caloric intake to maintain a decent body composition. How do you happily move from obsessively-trained racer to being a respectable enthusiast rider (with a better life-training balance)? If it were a bad habit, it would be easier to quit cold turkey. But I don't want to quit cycling. I just want to enjoy it in a new, better balanced way. Is it possible?
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For me, the transition from racing to enthusiast was hard. Inside, I still felt 30, but If I could look past my ego I could see my abilities scaling back. I was struggling to maintain that ‘edge’ needed to be competitive & wasn’t enjoying myself at all. Eventually I stopped training with my racing friends as it’s humiliating for me & frustrating for them.
Now, probably 95% of my riding is entirely solo; increasing gravel on quite back roads. I no longer care about tracking my FTP & chronic training stress – I just enjoy researching & trying new routes. I seldom post rides on Strava as I don’t really need acknowledgment from peers or anything.
I still have PM’s on most of my bikes only because I own them. However, I no longer analyze the data (I would be depressing!). Mostly I use the computer to keep track of the time & as navigating in following routes.
Health wise; since I’ve backed off, my weight is up and I have arthritis in one knee.. I’m beginning to feel like the old man that has been starting back at me in the mirror for some years now.. !
Now, probably 95% of my riding is entirely solo; increasing gravel on quite back roads. I no longer care about tracking my FTP & chronic training stress – I just enjoy researching & trying new routes. I seldom post rides on Strava as I don’t really need acknowledgment from peers or anything.
I still have PM’s on most of my bikes only because I own them. However, I no longer analyze the data (I would be depressing!). Mostly I use the computer to keep track of the time & as navigating in following routes.
Health wise; since I’ve backed off, my weight is up and I have arthritis in one knee.. I’m beginning to feel like the old man that has been starting back at me in the mirror for some years now.. !
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It does seem hard for folks to give it up. There's a guy, semi local, no more than average enthusiast, who has his championships from 10-20 years ago irrelevantly prominent on his Strava profile. Ummm, pretty sure no Strava back then but by golly we know he was bad BITD.
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This, I think, is the operative statement. It may be hard to unwrap your highly organized and competitive nature. A slower bike may not do it. So maybe find a new think to wrap your identity around that is still related to competitive cycling? Volunteer as a coach to junior riders? As a race marshall? As a volunteer or organizer of a race/event group?
Maybe it's time to give back to this sport that has brought us decades of joy. I'm thinking about volunteering with a local bike charity group fixing up old bikes for lower income kids.
Maybe it's time to give back to this sport that has brought us decades of joy. I'm thinking about volunteering with a local bike charity group fixing up old bikes for lower income kids.
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UPDATE: The "reprogramming" process is moving forward. I have reduced my bike workouts to 4 per week (from 6) -- 3 of them with high intensity intervals and one longer ride. Why am I still doing high intensity intervals? Because I see my friends (who don't do interval workouts) declining at an accelerating pace. One friend is ten years younger and even he is declining pretty fast. On New Years Day, the group was trundling along at about 12.5 mph and I was stuck in zone 1 -- just barely above resting heart rate. I can't do it. (I had to ride on in order to complete my planned metric before sunset.) In order to slow the inevitable decline, I will keep doing high intensity workouts when nobody else is riding with me. And to ride with my long-time friends, I will mount 38mm tires on my gravel bike for those group rides. That way I can get my power / heart rate up into zone 2 at the pace they are comfortable with.
But going to 4 bike workouts per week allows me to separate bike workout days from gym workout days. Doing just one workout per day almost feels like every day is a light day.
I set my 2020 mileage goal at just 2/3 what my annual mileage has been for as long as I remember. The last time my mileage was this low, I had shoulder reconstruction surgery followed by knee surgery. I had months off the bike that year.
And finally, because I suspect I will get cranky with so little activity after the weather turns nice, I decided to get another time-consuming hobby. I decided to learn to play piano. Should have done it decades ago.
But going to 4 bike workouts per week allows me to separate bike workout days from gym workout days. Doing just one workout per day almost feels like every day is a light day.
I set my 2020 mileage goal at just 2/3 what my annual mileage has been for as long as I remember. The last time my mileage was this low, I had shoulder reconstruction surgery followed by knee surgery. I had months off the bike that year.
And finally, because I suspect I will get cranky with so little activity after the weather turns nice, I decided to get another time-consuming hobby. I decided to learn to play piano. Should have done it decades ago.
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From what I read, we generally need more strength training as we age. Less bike time, more gym time. I intend to start that, maybe even this year....
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UPDATE: The "reprogramming" process is moving forward. I have reduced my bike workouts to 4 per week (from 6) -- 3 of them with high intensity intervals and one longer ride. Why am I still doing high intensity intervals? Because I see my friends (who don't do interval workouts) declining at an accelerating pace. One friend is ten years younger and even he is declining pretty fast. On New Years Day, the group was trundling along at about 12.5 mph and I was stuck in zone 1 -- just barely above resting heart rate. I can't do it. (I had to ride on in order to complete my planned metric before sunset.) In order to slow the inevitable decline, I will keep doing high intensity workouts when nobody else is riding with me. And to ride with my long-time friends, I will mount 38mm tires on my gravel bike for those group rides. That way I can get my power / heart rate up into zone 2 at the pace they are comfortable with.
But going to 4 bike workouts per week allows me to separate bike workout days from gym workout days. Doing just one workout per day almost feels like every day is a light day.
I set my 2020 mileage goal at just 2/3 what my annual mileage has been for as long as I remember. The last time my mileage was this low, I had shoulder reconstruction surgery followed by knee surgery. I had months off the bike that year.
And finally, because I suspect I will get cranky with so little activity after the weather turns nice, I decided to get another time-consuming hobby. I decided to learn to play piano. Should have done it decades ago.
But going to 4 bike workouts per week allows me to separate bike workout days from gym workout days. Doing just one workout per day almost feels like every day is a light day.
I set my 2020 mileage goal at just 2/3 what my annual mileage has been for as long as I remember. The last time my mileage was this low, I had shoulder reconstruction surgery followed by knee surgery. I had months off the bike that year.
And finally, because I suspect I will get cranky with so little activity after the weather turns nice, I decided to get another time-consuming hobby. I decided to learn to play piano. Should have done it decades ago.
Interestingly, I learned to play piano in 1975. I play classical. I took 6 years of lessons. I took about 3 decades off and I restarted 3 months ago. I hired a teacher and she has me playing Bach and Carl Czerny. Good luck with your piano. Fun stuff.
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Do some distance stuff. https://rusa.org/
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more beer rides. if you don't drink, make it more food rides.
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I told my long-time group ride about my plans yesterday. It soaked in for a couple hours. Then, near the end of the ride, the question came out of the blue . . . "Who is going to enforce this mileage limit?"
The group is not convinced.
The group is not convinced.
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Seven weeks into "enthusiast rider" status. So far, so good. I'm about 14 miles behind my lower projected mileage pace. (I will make that up the first week of good spring weather.) I think I'm going to be fine with the reduced mileage -- mainly because there are no races I can't live without anymore. And all the guys I used to train with are backing off, too -- the old guys because of health issues and the young guys because of growing families.
But being a good bike racer requires a certain degree of OCD. That hasn't left me. So now, there's bass guitar practice 7 days a week and guitar and piano practice alternating on every other day.
And I'm thinking of divesting the road racing bike once the weather gets warm -- becoming a one-bike, all-purpose bike guy. We will see. That would seem very permanent. Probably a good thing.
But being a good bike racer requires a certain degree of OCD. That hasn't left me. So now, there's bass guitar practice 7 days a week and guitar and piano practice alternating on every other day.
And I'm thinking of divesting the road racing bike once the weather gets warm -- becoming a one-bike, all-purpose bike guy. We will see. That would seem very permanent. Probably a good thing.
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I feel like I'm going through this myself this year, although involuntarily. I have a work assignment that's made it virtually impossible for me to do the kind of consistent training that will let me be competitive. I raced two weeks ago and barely hung on to finish with the pack in a race that I usually can contend for the podium. And in the two weeks since, my only riding has been a handful of commutes. I'm still fitter than your average 52-yo office worker, but that's not saying much sadly.