What was on a 71 Competition?
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What was on a 71 Competition?
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What was on a 71 Competition?
I'm currently working on my newest acquisition, a 71 Raleigh Competition, and I have a few questions. I can't find any factory pics of one of these because according to what I've read they weren't in the catalogs in this white and blue color scheme. It came to me with this nice looking Milremo stem, an unmarked alloy handlebars and a Titan seatpost. Are these original components or have they been changed at some point? The hb measures about 39.5 wide from end to end if that's how you measure them. Seatpost is 27.2. I'll most likely not change these parts because they look nice, but I was curious about what was original.
I'd also like to get new wheels because it came to me with 27" wheels with solid axle hubs. I know they're not original. I was thinking Weinmann rins with Normandy hubs?
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I'd also like to get new wheels because it came to me with 27" wheels with solid axle hubs. I know they're not original. I was thinking Weinmann rins with Normandy hubs?
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Milremo was a Kitching/Bertin brand... probably a GB stem when new.
Good question on spec. Stronglight cranks? Maybe Nervar?
Any cable stops near the bottom bracket for the front mechanism?
I would think tubulars... it is a "Competition"
This is a bike just before my awareness. Had I seen one, I would have looked it over... Where is the Wayback machine?
Good question on spec. Stronglight cranks? Maybe Nervar?
Any cable stops near the bottom bracket for the front mechanism?
I would think tubulars... it is a "Competition"
This is a bike just before my awareness. Had I seen one, I would have looked it over... Where is the Wayback machine?
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That’s a gorgeous stem. Same was original on my (lesser model) 72 Grand Prix.
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Milremo was a Kitching/Bertin brand... probably a GB stem when new.
Good question on spec. Stronglight cranks? Maybe Nervar?
Any cable stops near the bottom bracket for the front mechanism?
I would think tubulars... it is a "Competition"
This is a bike just before my awareness. Had I seen one, I would have looked it over... Where is the Wayback machine?
Good question on spec. Stronglight cranks? Maybe Nervar?
Any cable stops near the bottom bracket for the front mechanism?
I would think tubulars... it is a "Competition"
This is a bike just before my awareness. Had I seen one, I would have looked it over... Where is the Wayback machine?
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All the pics I've seen of the '71 (purple and white/lagoon blue) appear to have Normandy hubs, seems like a good bet. Love that stem and seatpost. I have a '70 that I'll be building in January (it's been waiting for 4 years as others jumped the queue..). No catalog info but seems identical to the '69 - still debating what to hang on it.
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You need one of those earlier Record front changers with the cast in cable stop.
Lots of polishing detail, nice work.
Lots of polishing detail, nice work.
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GB for the stem and bars. The Titan post would have been period correct but a Euro brand like the Milremo (also period correct). The British equivalent would have been a Birmalux alloy post. Wheels would have been tubulars, likely Normandy Competition Luxe HF (careful of old ones - cones are virtually irreplaceable due to the unique curvature of the cone bearing track).
GB for the stem and bars. The Titan post would have been period correct but a Euro brand like the Milremo (also period correct). The British equivalent would have been a Birmalux alloy post. Wheels would have been tubulars, likely Normandy Competition Luxe HF (careful of old ones - cones are virtually irreplaceable due to the unique curvature of the cone bearing track).
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I had one of these quite a while back. It came to me as a complete bike, but I have no idea as to what was original. It did have GB bars and stem, Weinmann drilled levers and brakes, Campy downtube shifters, alloy straight-pin post (unmarked), Brooks B17, and Stronglight 93 crankset. Derailleurs were SunTour so likely not original, and wheels were Super Champion clinchers with Normandy hubs, perhaps swapped in at point of purchase rather than tubulars. I have seen some examples of the earlier green Competitions, and those were all Zeus equipped.
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1971 was final year for manufacture of machine's Zeus Competition chainset.
It is what was employed on the 1969 and 1970 Competition as well.
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1971 was final year for manufacture of machine's Zeus Competition chainset.
It is what was employed on the 1969 and 1970 Competition as well.
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How on earth did it survive in such pristine condition? Amazing and beautiful..
I worked in a large Raleigh shop starting in '71, but I don't remember the parts on the Competition, darn it. I remember the Zeus cranks but not what derailers it had.
Does yours have Zeus dropouts?
Here's what one guy says is an all-original '71. He doesn't even mention the modern rear derailer on it, but front mech and shifters are Simplex. Since the '69 came with Simplex, I guess it's possible for the '71. His crankset is a Nervar cotterless. The rest of his list: "Brooks Professional saddle, Weinmann center pulls, white Carlton hoods, Fiamme rims, Normandy hubs, tubulars".
This guy's has a Stronglight 93, Simplex derailers and Gnutti hubs. I'm sorta doubtful the wheels are original.
This guy's is white/blue like yours, has Zeus cranks, and Zeus Criterium F&R derailers.
Let me know if you need a GB stem, I have a couple of similar vintage, with external hex head bolts not recessed/allen. I also have some Carlton plastic brake lever hoods I can part with. Neither stem nor hoods will look nice enough for such a showroom mint bike, but hopefully can be cleaned up. The unanodized alloy of the stem is easy to polish but the rust on the bolts is a tougher problem, would need rechroming if you need them to be perfect. Evaporust and a buff may be good enough, but you know the rust will come back. Hopefully you have better stems available.
Note about the bit of housing for the F. der. at the BB. It sure looks like original Raleigh housing, which is cool, but housing with both cut ends facing up tend to get filled with gritty water if it's ever ridden in the rain -- or even through puddles. The water evaporates but the grit and rust stay, and eventually the cable stops moving. Campy's solution was uncovered stainless housing, which has openings all along the bottom of the curve to let water out. The other solution (if this will be ridden) is to take the cable out, clean and lube the housing piece now and then. Fenders help hugely, but maybe not on a bike called "Competition".
Ignore all that if you live in the Mojave Desert or the like. I live in Seattle, where we think about such things.
Have fun with it.
I worked in a large Raleigh shop starting in '71, but I don't remember the parts on the Competition, darn it. I remember the Zeus cranks but not what derailers it had.
Does yours have Zeus dropouts?
Here's what one guy says is an all-original '71. He doesn't even mention the modern rear derailer on it, but front mech and shifters are Simplex. Since the '69 came with Simplex, I guess it's possible for the '71. His crankset is a Nervar cotterless. The rest of his list: "Brooks Professional saddle, Weinmann center pulls, white Carlton hoods, Fiamme rims, Normandy hubs, tubulars".
This guy's has a Stronglight 93, Simplex derailers and Gnutti hubs. I'm sorta doubtful the wheels are original.
This guy's is white/blue like yours, has Zeus cranks, and Zeus Criterium F&R derailers.
Let me know if you need a GB stem, I have a couple of similar vintage, with external hex head bolts not recessed/allen. I also have some Carlton plastic brake lever hoods I can part with. Neither stem nor hoods will look nice enough for such a showroom mint bike, but hopefully can be cleaned up. The unanodized alloy of the stem is easy to polish but the rust on the bolts is a tougher problem, would need rechroming if you need them to be perfect. Evaporust and a buff may be good enough, but you know the rust will come back. Hopefully you have better stems available.
Note about the bit of housing for the F. der. at the BB. It sure looks like original Raleigh housing, which is cool, but housing with both cut ends facing up tend to get filled with gritty water if it's ever ridden in the rain -- or even through puddles. The water evaporates but the grit and rust stay, and eventually the cable stops moving. Campy's solution was uncovered stainless housing, which has openings all along the bottom of the curve to let water out. The other solution (if this will be ridden) is to take the cable out, clean and lube the housing piece now and then. Fenders help hugely, but maybe not on a bike called "Competition".
Ignore all that if you live in the Mojave Desert or the like. I live in Seattle, where we think about such things.
Have fun with it.
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As far as the wheels, I have an unbuilt new set of 27" rims from Velo Orange that I've been hanging on to along with an NOS set of Miche Competition 36h hubs that I think I will build up for this bike. Or I may wait a few weeks and see if I can find a nice set of Campy high flange record hubs at Brazen Dropouts bike show in Wisc.
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How on earth did it survive in such pristine condition? Amazing and beautiful..
I worked in a large Raleigh shop starting in '71, but I don't remember the parts on the Competition, darn it. I remember the Zeus cranks but not what derailers it had.
Does yours have Zeus dropouts?
Here's what one guy says is an all-original '71. He doesn't even mention the modern rear derailer on it, but front mech and shifters are Simplex. Since the '69 came with Simplex, I guess it's possible for the '71. His crankset is a Nervar cotterless. The rest of his list: "Brooks Professional saddle, Weinmann center pulls, white Carlton hoods, Fiamme rims, Normandy hubs, tubulars".
This guy's has a Stronglight 93, Simplex derailers and Gnutti hubs. I'm sorta doubtful the wheels are original.
This guy's is white/blue like yours, has Zeus cranks, and Zeus Criterium F&R derailers.
Let me know if you need a GB stem, I have a couple of similar vintage, with external hex head bolts not recessed/allen. I also have some Carlton plastic brake lever hoods I can part with. Neither stem nor hoods will look nice enough for such a showroom mint bike, but hopefully can be cleaned up. The unanodized alloy of the stem is easy to polish but the rust on the bolts is a tougher problem, would need rechroming if you need them to be perfect. Evaporust and a buff may be good enough, but you know the rust will come back. Hopefully you have better stems available.
Note about the bit of housing for the F. der. at the BB. It sure looks like original Raleigh housing, which is cool, but housing with both cut ends facing up tend to get filled with gritty water if it's ever ridden in the rain -- or even through puddles. The water evaporates but the grit and rust stay, and eventually the cable stops moving. Campy's solution was uncovered stainless housing, which has openings all along the bottom of the curve to let water out. The other solution (if this will be ridden) is to take the cable out, clean and lube the housing piece now and then. Fenders help hugely, but maybe not on a bike called "Competition".
Ignore all that if you live in the Mojave Desert or the like. I live in Seattle, where we think about such things.
Have fun with it.
I worked in a large Raleigh shop starting in '71, but I don't remember the parts on the Competition, darn it. I remember the Zeus cranks but not what derailers it had.
Does yours have Zeus dropouts?
Here's what one guy says is an all-original '71. He doesn't even mention the modern rear derailer on it, but front mech and shifters are Simplex. Since the '69 came with Simplex, I guess it's possible for the '71. His crankset is a Nervar cotterless. The rest of his list: "Brooks Professional saddle, Weinmann center pulls, white Carlton hoods, Fiamme rims, Normandy hubs, tubulars".
This guy's has a Stronglight 93, Simplex derailers and Gnutti hubs. I'm sorta doubtful the wheels are original.
This guy's is white/blue like yours, has Zeus cranks, and Zeus Criterium F&R derailers.
Let me know if you need a GB stem, I have a couple of similar vintage, with external hex head bolts not recessed/allen. I also have some Carlton plastic brake lever hoods I can part with. Neither stem nor hoods will look nice enough for such a showroom mint bike, but hopefully can be cleaned up. The unanodized alloy of the stem is easy to polish but the rust on the bolts is a tougher problem, would need rechroming if you need them to be perfect. Evaporust and a buff may be good enough, but you know the rust will come back. Hopefully you have better stems available.
Note about the bit of housing for the F. der. at the BB. It sure looks like original Raleigh housing, which is cool, but housing with both cut ends facing up tend to get filled with gritty water if it's ever ridden in the rain -- or even through puddles. The water evaporates but the grit and rust stay, and eventually the cable stops moving. Campy's solution was uncovered stainless housing, which has openings all along the bottom of the curve to let water out. The other solution (if this will be ridden) is to take the cable out, clean and lube the housing piece now and then. Fenders help hugely, but maybe not on a bike called "Competition".
Ignore all that if you live in the Mojave Desert or the like. I live in Seattle, where we think about such things.
Have fun with it.
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wheels -
originals would have of course been tubulars
Normandy Luxe Competition large flange 36 hole hubs
NISI tubular rims with EVIAN transfers
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pedals -
Atom 700
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drive chain -
Renold
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regarding stem/bar set -
while GB was certainly the norm there WERE Raleigh cycles at this time which came through with Philippe/Milremo stems. the one worn by the machine is model 40.
so it is possible that stem is original to the cycle
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wheels -
originals would have of course been tubulars
Normandy Luxe Competition large flange 36 hole hubs
NISI tubular rims with EVIAN transfers
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pedals -
Atom 700
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drive chain -
Renold
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regarding stem/bar set -
while GB was certainly the norm there WERE Raleigh cycles at this time which came through with Philippe/Milremo stems. the one worn by the machine is model 40.
so it is possible that stem is original to the cycle
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Kind of surprise or not that Raleigh sourced Milremo stems.