1970s Raleigh brazing
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I wasn't at all sure I trusted that frame to handle the washboard at the bottoms of gravel descents and didn't want it breaking under me. BTDT.
Ben
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Does anyone else remember the social history of the period in question when demand for "10 Speed" bikes was extraordinary in the US, labor unrest in the UK was high and well organized while the physical plants were obsolescent at best and management was driven by the "Export or Die" policies of government and the industrial sector?
The Results?
1) What you can ride today like less than pretty Carltons in previous pics and my '74 which is still in regular service despite being an "ugly duckling".
Don't forget the multiple US road championships ridden on Raleigh/Carlton Pros "back when". That which Worked, mostly still Works.
b) The rise of Japanese Mfgs with new industrial plants post war, a unique and effective workforce culture and adoption of W.E. Deming's statistical quality control methodology.
III) A little red building in Waterloo WI with a well designed and controlled process for bicycle frame construction using precise American machine tool technology and some smart motivated people.
-Bandera
The Results?
1) What you can ride today like less than pretty Carltons in previous pics and my '74 which is still in regular service despite being an "ugly duckling".
Don't forget the multiple US road championships ridden on Raleigh/Carlton Pros "back when". That which Worked, mostly still Works.
b) The rise of Japanese Mfgs with new industrial plants post war, a unique and effective workforce culture and adoption of W.E. Deming's statistical quality control methodology.
III) A little red building in Waterloo WI with a well designed and controlled process for bicycle frame construction using precise American machine tool technology and some smart motivated people.
-Bandera
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Heh, too true about paint holding things together.
To think for a time I was riding on two different frames that were held together with adhesive (Vitus 979 and Holdsworth/Claud Butler), but I only knew about one...
As I've said in my contemporary thread, it's easy to repair these. Sesquilaminate construction! You just grind the bits of lug off that aren't brazed on, then braze up fillet joint in the shape of the lug, using the rest of the lug as a guide. You'll be the envy of all your friends, riding a fine understated British machine with a post-apocalyptic artisanal touch. I'm continuing to commute on mine and will repair as needed, so maybe in a few years I will have "collected" all the joints. I predict that the next thing to fail will be the seatstays, where they join the seat lug. That will be a fun repair!
To think for a time I was riding on two different frames that were held together with adhesive (Vitus 979 and Holdsworth/Claud Butler), but I only knew about one...
As I've said in my contemporary thread, it's easy to repair these. Sesquilaminate construction! You just grind the bits of lug off that aren't brazed on, then braze up fillet joint in the shape of the lug, using the rest of the lug as a guide. You'll be the envy of all your friends, riding a fine understated British machine with a post-apocalyptic artisanal touch. I'm continuing to commute on mine and will repair as needed, so maybe in a few years I will have "collected" all the joints. I predict that the next thing to fail will be the seatstays, where they join the seat lug. That will be a fun repair!
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Does anyone else remember the social history of the period in question when demand for "10 Speed" bikes was extraordinary in the US, labor unrest in the UK was high and well organized while the physical plants were obsolescent at best and management was driven by the "Export or Die" policies of government and the industrial sector?
The Results?
1) What you can ride today like less than pretty Carltons in previous pics and my '74 which is still in regular service despite being an "ugly duckling".
Don't forget the multiple US road championships ridden on Raleigh/Carlton Pros "back when". That which Worked, mostly still Works.
b) The rise of Japanese Mfgs with new industrial plants post war, a unique and effective workforce culture and adoption of W.E. Deming's statistical quality control methodology.
III) A little red building in Waterloo WI with a well designed and controlled process for bicycle frame construction using precise American machine tool technology and some smart motivated people.
-Bandera
The Results?
1) What you can ride today like less than pretty Carltons in previous pics and my '74 which is still in regular service despite being an "ugly duckling".
Don't forget the multiple US road championships ridden on Raleigh/Carlton Pros "back when". That which Worked, mostly still Works.
b) The rise of Japanese Mfgs with new industrial plants post war, a unique and effective workforce culture and adoption of W.E. Deming's statistical quality control methodology.
III) A little red building in Waterloo WI with a well designed and controlled process for bicycle frame construction using precise American machine tool technology and some smart motivated people.
-Bandera
Bill
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Semper Fi, USMC, 1975-1977
I Can Do All Things Through Him, Who Gives Me Strength. Philippians 4:13