Front wheel rubbing on tips of shoes when turning.
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Most people learn to keep their crank arms vertical during low-speed turns, but if that proves difficult you may have to look at other measures. Some frame manufacturers, e.g. LeMond, have a reputation for using a longer top tube than is typical, which would reduce the problem. But a new frame isn't cheap. Not much you can do about your foot size, either. Shorter crank arms are probably the most cost-effective method (other than just living with the issue, anyway).
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I clicked a shoe into the pedal to check for toe overlap on my short wheelbase 1981 Trek 750 fixed gear. The interference made me wonder why I hadn't had any tire/shoe contact during U turns. I watched the clearance during U turns and notice I instinctively turned sharper to create clearance at the moment the shoe needed it.
I also looked to if there was any clearance concerns while riding at speed. The tire doesn't even come close.
I also looked to if there was any clearance concerns while riding at speed. The tire doesn't even come close.
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I have had toe overlap on nearly every bike I've owned, but the only time it has ever been an issue is on an out and back time trial in which I rode my fixed gear. Tight 180 degree turn and no ability to coast through the turn.
If you have a freewheel, it should not be an issue.
If you have a freewheel, it should not be an issue.
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Maybe I have just never had this happen on any of my old road bikes, but does anyone have the problem of regularly rubbing the tips of their road shoes on the front tire?
I don't recall this happening on my Colnago. I bought a LeMond Washoe and now I rub my right foot constantly when pedaling while turning. Almost made me crash hard yesterday.
I am a small guy at 5' 8" with a size 9 shoe so I'm not a monster or anything. Cranks are 172.5mm Campy Super Record and I am using Specialized shoes with Look Keo cleats.
If on the bike and having my crank arms parallel to the ground, the tip of my shoe is past the tire.
I don't recall this happening on my Colnago. I bought a LeMond Washoe and now I rub my right foot constantly when pedaling while turning. Almost made me crash hard yesterday.
I am a small guy at 5' 8" with a size 9 shoe so I'm not a monster or anything. Cranks are 172.5mm Campy Super Record and I am using Specialized shoes with Look Keo cleats.
If on the bike and having my crank arms parallel to the ground, the tip of my shoe is past the tire.
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It would never happen at high speed; in fact, it would never happen at any speed above walking pace. Faster than that, and you're steering by leaning, not by turning the bars.
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This issue should be brought up with bike manufacturers. While most of the time it is just annoying, somewhere sometime someone may have a serious accident as a result of their shoe interfering with their ability to turn.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
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This issue should be brought up with bike manufacturers. While most of the time it is just annoying, somewhere sometime someone may have a serious accident as a result of their shoe interfering with their ability to turn.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
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It's the geometry, I got tired of it, and enjoyed not having it on my gravel bike, as well as the increased stability from a longer wheelbase and longer front center. So I sold my Tarmac, which like most bikes with "race" geometry and had toe overlap, and bought a Giant Defy. Longer wheelbase, longer front center, no toe overlap (size M/L with 172.5mm cranks and size 45 Fizik shoes) and still just as fast and stiff as the Tarmac, imo.
For some it's not a big deal, but if it's a big deal for you, then you just need to find geometry that works for you.
For some it's not a big deal, but if it's a big deal for you, then you just need to find geometry that works for you.
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It's the geometry, I got tired of it, and enjoyed not having it on my gravel bike, as well as the increased stability from a longer wheelbase and longer front center. So I sold my Tarmac, which like most bikes with "race" geometry and had toe overlap, and bought a Giant Defy. Longer wheelbase, longer front center, no toe overlap (size M/L with 172.5mm cranks and size 45 Fizik shoes) and still just as fast and stiff as the Tarmac, imo.
For some it's not a big deal, but if it's a big deal for you, then you just need to find geometry that works for you.
For some it's not a big deal, but if it's a big deal for you, then you just need to find geometry that works for you.
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ah got it, it looked set up pretty aggressively in the other thread. I hated the way my endurance bike handled in even fast group rides, and my significant toe overlap has never been an issue
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Even with the taller head tube, the total stack with the way it's setup is only barely taller than my Tarmac was, so it's very comfortable for me.
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This issue should be brought up with bike manufacturers. While most of the time it is just annoying, somewhere sometime someone may have a serious accident as a result of their shoe interfering with their ability to turn.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
There are reasonable solutions to toe overlap, when bike makers have the will to do it. One is to simply stop insisting on 700C wheels all the way down to the smallest frames. Smaller wheels roll perfectly well on paved roads, and don't require changes to wheelbase or geometry. I'd rock the hell out of an old Terry if I were in that boat.
Another solution is to slacken the head tube angle slightly and add a bit of fork offset to restore trail to the desired amount. While this does increase the wheelbase, it gets the front wheel out of the way without requiring a short stem or other compromises.
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another way to avoid.. is elective toe amputation and custom shoes. With the stiff cf soles of modern shoes, there's really no reason to carry the extra weight and you avoid the overlap at the same time.
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That is good to know at high speed then and it does make sense re: leaning more then turning the wheels.
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This issue should be brought up with bike manufacturers. While most of the time it is just annoying, somewhere sometime someone may have a serious accident as a result of their shoe interfering with their ability to turn.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
Manufacturers try to make bikes as cheap as possible. Adding a couple of inches to a bike length would not make it much more expensive, and should be done.
I will be surprised if anyone has raised this issue with a bike manufacturer, and as a result, it is something they are not even aware of.
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... The only time contact is ever made is when I'm stopped and seated on the top tube, with my cranks horizontally oriented and one foot clipped in, and I do the dumb thing and mindlessly turn the bars.
This is tremendously annoying, because it puts a nice black scuff on my perfect white shoes, which I then have to endure for the rest of my ride until I can get home to clean with solvent.
Ride ruined.
This is tremendously annoying, because it puts a nice black scuff on my perfect white shoes, which I then have to endure for the rest of my ride until I can get home to clean with solvent.
Ride ruined.
When will this insanity stop?
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When consumers spend a little more time, perhaps a little more money, to make better choices, of course.
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Get over overlap
Yeah. Toe overlap is a bummer. But please don’t let it ruin your ride! It’s just a scuff on the shoes! Better yet, ride a vintage bike!
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Or better yet, leave the socks off: Free pedicure on every turn!
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I often pick up used bikes when other people trash them. Beggars can't be choosers. However, occasionally I have bought bikes. In future I will be conscious of the space between the pedal and front wheel, and buy appropriate bikes.