I was watching "Hoarders" on TV.............
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I was watching "Hoarders" on TV.............
Then I walked into the garage and well I hope my kids do not call that show
At what point or number of bikes is it no longer a hobby? Now back to Craigslist.......
At what point or number of bikes is it no longer a hobby? Now back to Craigslist.......
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IRS Guideline Number 2.A.73 Section 7d54.7 revised May 7, 1931 states that:
"Since only one bicycle can be ridden at one time, anyone found with more than one bicycle must be engaged in a commercial, for-profit enterprise, or, is a hoarder!"
"Since only one bicycle can be ridden at one time, anyone found with more than one bicycle must be engaged in a commercial, for-profit enterprise, or, is a hoarder!"
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Cf: Rule 12
RULE 12:
The minimum number of bikes one should own is three. The correct number is n+1, where n is the number of bikes currently owned. This equation may also be re-written as s-1, where s is the number of bikes owned that would result in separation from your partner.
The minimum number of bikes one should own is three. The correct number is n+1, where n is the number of bikes currently owned. This equation may also be re-written as s-1, where s is the number of bikes owned that would result in separation from your partner.
I am currently working up a rather complex equation
for the determination of s. It involves percentage
of income considered disposable, absolute value of
available storage space, competing interests in terms
of space by partner, and some variable values for
partner patience and overall forgiveness that are
difficult to assign a value for all cases.
Thus the interminable delay in the formulation of
"Larmer's Corollary" for which i will no doubt
some day be famous.
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Today, my neighbor's kid was outside and came up to my garage to ask me the time. She almost finished the sentence when she looked up at the wall of bikes and expressed, WOW!
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If you can still walk into your garage it is not hoarding. If you can see across your garage and see two or three walls, it's not hoarding. I would say you would need to have at least 70 bikes or more to maybe having a problem. Even then one can always use space more wisely. Just remember N+1 means there is always room for one more.
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there are currently five bikes in my tiny apartment and many more in a storage unit... I think I have a problem.
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I try to keep my garage door closed at all times for this reason. But I occasionally forget, and have definitely gotten a rep in the neighborhood as a bicycle hoarder.
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I get that you can only ride one at a time, but what's that got to do with anything, you need to tell them that this is Mondays bike , Tues Bike and so on and so on +++++++++++++
I get the WOW as soon as I open my gate in front of my garage where most of my parts bikes are lined up, and then the big eyes once they step into the garage lol. I am not a hoarder I am a collector, yeah that's it a collector.
I get the WOW as soon as I open my gate in front of my garage where most of my parts bikes are lined up, and then the big eyes once they step into the garage lol. I am not a hoarder I am a collector, yeah that's it a collector.
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Every time I see that show it reminds me of a few of the places I've bought out. Several in the NJ/NY area were the largest, plus one about 50 miles outside of Phila.
When it takes more than one moving van or 40' container to load up all the bikes then your a hoarder, beyond that I think your OK. The best part about places like these are that you never know what you will find under all the layers of bikes and parts.
When it takes more than one moving van or 40' container to load up all the bikes then your a hoarder, beyond that I think your OK. The best part about places like these are that you never know what you will find under all the layers of bikes and parts.
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Because they won't listen to reason. I've tried telling them this is my January 1st bike, January 2nd bike, Jan 3rd bike and they shut me down as soon as I got to August 23rd!
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Every time I see that show it reminds me of a few of the places I've bought out. Several in the NJ/NY area were the largest, plus one about 50 miles outside of Phila.
When it takes more than one moving van or 40' container to load up all the bikes then your a hoarder, beyond that I think your OK. The best part about places like these are that you never know what you will find under all the layers of bikes and parts.
When it takes more than one moving van or 40' container to load up all the bikes then your a hoarder, beyond that I think your OK. The best part about places like these are that you never know what you will find under all the layers of bikes and parts.
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To me these are the lines between collector and hoarder:
1. Hoarders are unable to trade or sell anything in their hoard. This is the big one to me.
2. Hoarders are unselective...they'll take bikes just to have them...never riding them or even fixing them up. They seek quantity over quality. If you see a rusted Murray in a dumpster and think "gee...I could fix that up" you might have a problem.
3. Hoarder's bicycles interfere in other aspects of their life and interfere with relationships. They may not be able to have people over, or access anything else in their garage, basement...etc. They may cause dangerous situations.
4. Hoarders are unable to access or use their hoards. The quantity of "stuff" makes all of it unusable.
There is a large grey area between hoarder and afficianado, and I think a lot of us live in that grey area.
1. Hoarders are unable to trade or sell anything in their hoard. This is the big one to me.
2. Hoarders are unselective...they'll take bikes just to have them...never riding them or even fixing them up. They seek quantity over quality. If you see a rusted Murray in a dumpster and think "gee...I could fix that up" you might have a problem.
3. Hoarder's bicycles interfere in other aspects of their life and interfere with relationships. They may not be able to have people over, or access anything else in their garage, basement...etc. They may cause dangerous situations.
4. Hoarders are unable to access or use their hoards. The quantity of "stuff" makes all of it unusable.
There is a large grey area between hoarder and afficianado, and I think a lot of us live in that grey area.
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To me these are the lines between collector and hoarder:
1. Hoarders are unable to trade or sell anything in their hoard. This is the big one to me.
2. Hoarders are unselective...they'll take bikes just to have them...never riding them or even fixing them up. They seek quantity over quality. If you see a rusted Murray in a dumpster and think "gee...I could fix that up" you might have a problem.
3. Hoarder's bicycles interfere in other aspects of their life and interfere with relationships. They may not be able to have people over, or access anything else in their garage, basement...etc. They may cause dangerous situations.
4. Hoarders are unable to access or use their hoards. The quantity of "stuff" makes all of it unusable.
There is a large grey area between hoarder and afficianado, and I think a lot of us live in that grey area.
1. Hoarders are unable to trade or sell anything in their hoard. This is the big one to me.
2. Hoarders are unselective...they'll take bikes just to have them...never riding them or even fixing them up. They seek quantity over quality. If you see a rusted Murray in a dumpster and think "gee...I could fix that up" you might have a problem.
3. Hoarder's bicycles interfere in other aspects of their life and interfere with relationships. They may not be able to have people over, or access anything else in their garage, basement...etc. They may cause dangerous situations.
4. Hoarders are unable to access or use their hoards. The quantity of "stuff" makes all of it unusable.
There is a large grey area between hoarder and afficianado, and I think a lot of us live in that grey area.
On #3, I just ask anyone coming over to verify their shots are current.
On #4, I have been looking for my receiver hitch for a couple of weeks now. Its out in the garage, somewhere. I think it is under the attic stairs, but right now, I can't get to the stairs. I need the receiver hitch to pull my cargo trailer, which I need to take a load to the dump. Its a vicious circle on that one right now.
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We wouldn't simply throw our collection to the dump. After all......
IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!
IT BELONGS IN A MUSEUM!
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Yeah, that's the normal reaction, but just imagine showing up 6AM on a Saturday morning and realizing that the 10 man labor force you brought along with the two huge trucks just isn't going to come close to getting it all loaded in one day. This one was a 4 day 15 man clean out. It was the result of nearly 80 years of hoarding bikes. At least all were indoors, but it took hours and days to sort through just to get the mess untangled. It took months to sort through and sell off. Out of 300 complete bikes and thousands of partial bikes and frames I only kept about 10 or so from that lot, the rest got sold or scrapped. That lot was mostly in a garage but some came out of the house too. After it was sorted out it filled an 8 car garage with 12' ceilings to the roof.
Another place I bought out was pretty much a private museum of old bikes and toys, the guy passed away and his kids sold the whole lot for scrap prices just to get the building and house empty to sell. That one was another two full truck loads and three 40' shipping containers full of old bikes and parts from the 20's to the mid 60's. Surprisingly enough though the items that sold for the most money back then were the kids toys, more specifically the pedal cars.
Another place I bought out was pretty much a private museum of old bikes and toys, the guy passed away and his kids sold the whole lot for scrap prices just to get the building and house empty to sell. That one was another two full truck loads and three 40' shipping containers full of old bikes and parts from the 20's to the mid 60's. Surprisingly enough though the items that sold for the most money back then were the kids toys, more specifically the pedal cars.
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I was OK until I got to #3 and #4.
On #3, I just ask anyone coming over to verify their shots are current.
On #4, I have been looking for my receiver hitch for a couple of weeks now. Its out in the garage, somewhere. I think it is under the attic stairs, but right now, I can't get to the stairs. I need the receiver hitch to pull my cargo trailer, which I need to take a load to the dump. Its a vicious circle on that one right now.
On #3, I just ask anyone coming over to verify their shots are current.
On #4, I have been looking for my receiver hitch for a couple of weeks now. Its out in the garage, somewhere. I think it is under the attic stairs, but right now, I can't get to the stairs. I need the receiver hitch to pull my cargo trailer, which I need to take a load to the dump. Its a vicious circle on that one right now.