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Old 08-28-20, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
That”s pretty much what we”ve done the last two years. We ride it a few times, tears ensue, and it gets hung back up. This is an $8,000+ performance tandem. It”s not supposed to hang from a hook. Someone needs to exercise it regularly and enjoy it.
Ah that makes sense.
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Tomorrow's forecast is looking wet. Plan A is Lancaster Covered Bridge route. Plan B is rain bike on the MUP.

I could try to jump-start the running comeback, but that would be stupid.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
threat is real.
I got it once in the air flying the J3.

Engine didn't quit, just had a loss of power which the carb heat fixed. One of those "huh, that's interesting" moments.

Had it quite often on the ground at a grass strip in the morning, though.

In the winter we would have to turn the carb heat on before the takeoff roll until the throttle went to full - the air is so dense with oxygen that you could kill the engine due to the mixture getting too lean if you opened up the throttle too quickly, which at around 30° is basically any speed.
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It's actually the best metric to measure effect of humidity. Relative humidity is misleading.
Doug's get it...and don't do drugs.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Not really. But if you pick the right roads, you can avoid any traffic lights or busy roads, with the occasional 2-way stop at busy crossroads.
My ride to the office (15 miles) I have like 25 stop lights, plus some stop signs. It's fun.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
My ride to the office (15 miles) I have like 25 stop lights, plus some stop signs. It's fun.
I wish I could ride to the office but it is impossible to do without going on relatively busy roads. I did commute twice/week a few years ago but the traffic became too much so I drive the Saturn to work now.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
successful people make lists and reach goals. I don’t have time for lists but I like reaching goals.
Eh. Goals are best when they're significant and/or personally meaningful. You're fit enough that I think it wouldn't be much of a problem for you to do the 300 and change next week if you had the time, so shooting for the highest weekly mileage ever among our little group strikes me as more of a logistical goal rather than a cycling goal; it's more, "can I set aside 24 hours of saddle time this week (and not get burnt out)?" rather than "can I improve my fitness?" There could definitely be worse goals, but I think that those centered around personal growth/improvement are more significant.

That said, I'm closing in on my stated goal of a 1k mile month. Honestly, if I got rained out for the next 3 days and came up 64 miles short (which is where I am right now, I think), I really wouldn't be that bummed. It's a minor goal that's more about the work that I need to put in to reach a more significant goal (power/weight).
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I could try to jump-start the running comeback, but that would be stupid.
Indeed.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
So closed 4 hours later than proposed. We had to write a check to cover last minute cost got the keys and left. We already had the van loaded up full with boxes and painting supplies, so we went straight to the house. As I am pulling the first box out of the car we get a phone call from the office. They did the math wrong we have to bring a check immediately for more money.

I think I invented new words, I don’t think I have ever been so angry in my life. Btw the office is 45 mins away from where our new house is, and it was rush hour at this point. Needless to say I got zero painting done today.


With the celebration all done, all I can say is, if I stuck to rule number 2, everything would have been fine.


Still happy for you.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I wish I could ride to the office but it is impossible to do without going on relatively busy roads. I did commute twice/week a few years ago but the traffic became too much so I drive the Saturn to work now.
Too much traffic as in you were having too many close calls/passes? Otherwise, heavy traffic is a good reason for me to *not* drive. I hate being stuck in traffic in a car.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Eh. Goals are best when they're significant and/or personally meaningful. You're fit enough that I think it wouldn't be much of a problem for you to do the 300 and change next week if you had the time, so shooting for the highest weekly mileage ever among our little group strikes me as more of a logistical goal rather than a cycling goal; it's more, "can I set aside 24 hours of saddle time this week (and not get burnt out)?" rather than "can I improve my fitness?" There could definitely be worse goals, but I think that those centered around personal growth/improvement are more significant.

That said, I'm closing in on my stated goal of a 1k mile month. Honestly, if I got rained out for the next 3 days and came up 64 miles short (which is where I am right now, I think), I really wouldn't be that bummed. It's a minor goal that's more about the work that I need to put in to reach a more significant goal (power/weight).

Correct.


With that being said I have 8 days off. I already know I can do 200 in 4. So I was looking for an idea of what to shoot for next. 400 in 8 feels like over kill, plus I would need a break. This is all hypothetical. I still have a house to paint and boxes to pick up and set down.
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Oh, I finally gave in and picked up some Aussie Bites at Costco last week. They're a healthy snack even if I eat 7 of them in a sitting, right?
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Originally Posted by abshipp
I got it once in the air flying the J3.

Engine didn't quit, just had a loss of power which the carb heat fixed. One of those "huh, that's interesting" moments.

Had it quite often on the ground at a grass strip in the morning, though.

In the winter we would have to turn the carb heat on before the takeoff roll until the throttle went to full - the air is so dense with oxygen that you could kill the engine due to the mixture getting too lean if you opened up the throttle too quickly, which at around 30° is basically any speed.

Thought I had it in the mojave desert. Engine kept dropping rpms, Carb heat seemed to fix it up until the engine stopped. Later inspection revealed it was a bad harness. Both magnetos failed.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
Correct.

With that being said I have 8 days off. I already know I can do 200 in 4. So I was looking for an idea of what to shoot for next. 400 in 8 feels like over kill, plus I would need a break. This is all hypothetical. I still have a house to paint and boxes to pick up and set down.
You've got a lot of your plate - let the riding be an escape rather than turn it in to more work.
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If I wanted to do intervals with out a heart rate monitor is that something that is feasible? I’ve thought about this for a long time on how would I even approach this. When I used to do intervals on a tread mill I would typically jog for 3 mins run hard for a min. I would change those times based on heart rate info that the machine provided.

I would assume it’s similiar on a bike, but I would be judging my heart rate by feel alone. And I have no way of judging going “hard”. Again this would be by feel. I could try to use speed but there are a lot of variables into play.

Goal wise, since I brought that up. Always want to go faster but that goes without saying. Long term goal, I would like to average between 750 to 1000 a month this time next year. I don’t know if that is sustainable but I can do over 500 now relatively easily, I would imagine my fitness and endurance will continue to grow.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Too much traffic as in you were having too many close calls/passes? Otherwise, heavy traffic is a good reason for me to *not* drive. I hate being stuck in traffic in a car.
Too many fast drivers and major roads involved, with close calls etc.

There is not really heavy traffic in terms of car volume.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
If I wanted to do intervals with out a heart rate monitor is that something that is feasible? I’ve thought about this for a long time on how would I even approach this. When I used to do intervals on a tread mill I would typically jog for 3 mins run hard for a min. I would change those times based on heart rate info that the machine provided.

I would assume it’s similiar on a bike, but I would be judging my heart rate by feel alone. And I have no way of judging going “hard”. Again this would be by feel. I could try to use speed but there are a lot of variables into play.

Goal wise, since I brought that up. Always want to go faster but that goes without saying. Long term goal, I would like to average between 750 to 1000 a month this time next year. I don’t know if that is sustainable but I can do over 500 now relatively easily, I would imagine my fitness and endurance will continue to grow.
It's very feasible to do intervals based on RPE (rate of perceived exertion). It may not be quite as accurate as a power meter or HRM but it's definitely viable.
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Originally Posted by datlas
It's very feasible to do intervals based on RPE (rate of perceived exertion). It may not be quite as accurate as a power meter or HRM but it's definitely viable.

Is there a standard 1 min on 3 min off 2 mins on 5 mins off or is it really up to what ever the individual wants to do.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
If I wanted to do intervals with out a heart rate monitor is that something that is feasible? I’ve thought about this for a long time on how would I even approach this. When I used to do intervals on a tread mill I would typically jog for 3 mins run hard for a min. I would change those times based on heart rate info that the machine provided.

I would assume it’s similiar on a bike, but I would be judging my heart rate by feel alone. And I have no way of judging going “hard”. Again this would be by feel. I could try to use speed but there are a lot of variables into play.

Goal wise, since I brought that up. Always want to go faster but that goes without saying. Long term goal, I would like to average between 750 to 1000 a month this time next year. I don’t know if that is sustainable but I can do over 500 now relatively easily, I would imagine my fitness and endurance will continue to grow.
Sure, you can do intervals by RPE (Rated Perceived Exertion); it's obviously going to have shortcomings, but it's certainly better than nothing. The more you do it, the better you'll get at judging what's hard and what's hard and how long you can sustain those levels of effort. Even with a PM, dialing in to this feel is important and one of the reasons that most people test better their second or third time around.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
If I wanted to do intervals with out a heart rate monitor is that something that is feasible? .
Of course. Anything you can do on a bike you can do without any electronic devices. (ducks, runs for cover) It may not be as accurate depending on how in tune you are with your body. Power is the best method of training, but people have been going fast for decades without it.

When I do intervals, not lately, I go to a dam near home which has a flat, car free road on top.
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Is there a standard 1 min on 3 min off 2 mins on 5 mins off or is it really up to what ever the individual wants to do.
Yes.
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Dam for dam intervals.

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Originally Posted by big john
Dam for dam intervals.


I saw this in the james bond movie golden eye.

So do you push it hard one way and take it easy the next?
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Is there a standard 1 min on 3 min off 2 mins on 5 mins off or is it really up to what ever the individual wants to do.
Just depends on what you're aiming for - different intensities/durations for different goals. Do you want to be able to grind steadily for an hour or four? Pull away from the group creating enough of a gap to stay away? Whip around a leadout for the sprint? I'm sure that if you look up some stuff by Chris Carmichael and others, you'll get some good interval ideas, you'll just have to take some time to adapt for feel rather than power.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
I saw this in the james bond movie golden eye.

So do you push it hard one way and take it easy the next?
It's actually flat and about 2 miles across, so I would do 30 seconds on, then spin easy for a while, or whatever time I felt like. The wind could be a factor and sometimes people.
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