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Old 06-13-16, 09:13 PM
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Dura ace 7800 long cage ?

Where can I buy a long cage for a dura ace 7800?
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eBay or the like is going to be your best bet.
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Originally Posted by sinjun
Where can I buy a long cage for a dura ace 7800?
I think that would be custom since they were not available in long cage. 7800 was available in SS (short cage) and GS (medium cage) but not SGS (long cage). Generally speaking the long cages were for triple chainsets, which didn't exist in DA back then. DA seemed to be more about having minimum weight for racing, not about triples and long cages...
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https://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...atibility.html

Dura ace did make a triple group for 7800's
7803 .

If you insist on a D/A it will likely have to hunt one down on ebay.
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Originally Posted by sinjun
Where can I buy a long cage for a dura ace 7800?
$250 beans: New Shimano Dura Ace RD 7800GS Long Cage Rear Derailleur 10 Speed | eBay

Another: Shimano Dura Ace RD 7800 GS Long Cage Rear Derailleur 10 Speed | eBay
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@SSRI is correct. They did make a DA 7800 triple. I know a guy who had that setup on a Calfee.

There is a brand new Dura-Ace 7800 long cage derailleur on Ebay right now.

New Shimano Dura Ace RD 7800GS Long Cage Rear Derailleur 10 Speed | eBay

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Originally Posted by TimothyH;18844914
There is a brand new Dura-Ace 7800 long cage derailleur on Ebay right now.

[URL="https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Shimano-Dura-Ace-RD-7800GS-Long-Cage-NIB-Rear-Derailleur-10-speed-/331880104137"
New Shimano Dura Ace RD 7800GS Long Cage Rear Derailleur 10 Speed | eBay[/URL]
Interesting, but why is it called a GS and long cage, the two are contradictory, shimano long cage where designated SGS correct? (GS for medium cage).
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Originally Posted by T Stew
Interesting, but why is it called a GS and long cage, the two are contradictory, shimano long cage where designated SGS correct? (GS for medium cage).
You're right no sgs for 7800. The gs was a long cage for it. Here's a shimano document: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...j_rH94s6baLAqQ

To clarify there was a short cage (ss) and a long cage (gs) no medium cage.
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Ahh I had the GS/SGS terms backwards darnit.
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Originally Posted by T Stew
Ahh I had the GS/SGS terms backwards darnit.
No you are right. sgs is typically long cage. Just not that year.
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Originally Posted by Corbin
No you are right. sgs is typically long cage. Just not that year.
regardless of what they call it, the RD-7800GS is a medium cage based on the specs with only a 37t total capacity. Shimano doesn't make any road long cages. A long cage sgs has a 40+T total capacity
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We have Dura Ace 7800 triple on our Co-Motion Tandem. Gearing is 53-39-26, and an 11-28 cassette in the rear. So a 44 tooth difference and it works fine.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
We have Dura Ace 7800 triple on our Co-Motion Tandem. Gearing is 53-39-26, and an 11-28 cassette in the rear. So a 44 tooth difference and it works fine.
Does it shift all the way from big/big to small/small? You can certainly run gears that exceed your total derailleur capacity as long as you don't mind loosing some on the end, but those you wouldn't really ever need to use / shouldn't use anyhow. Shimano has been known to underrate by a few teeth though.

FWIW here is a screenshot from the 7800 installation guide of the specs:

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Originally Posted by T Stew
Does it shift all the way from big/big to small/small? You can certainly run gears that exceed your total derailleur capacity as long as you don't mind loosing some on the end, but those you wouldn't really ever need to use / shouldn't use anyhow. Shimano has been known to underrate by a few teeth though.

FWIW here is a screenshot from the 7800 installation guide of the specs:

Yes. It runs fine in the 53-28. The 26-11 combo is a bit noisy because of interference from the middle chainring, but the chains' not overly slack.

In my experience, Shimano is pretty conservative in their specs. It has to work to their standard on every bike (regardless of chain stay length, and other variables from bike to bike) So, most of the times, Shimano derailleurs will work well past their official specs.
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Instead of a new thread i figure id get info here. Being that its on the topic of a mid cage 7800 rear derailleur.

Would I be able to run a 11-32 or larger cassette?

I currently have a 12-25 with 53-39 front chainring.

Cost me a shiny penny some 5 years back for this 7800 derailleur

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Suck it and see. If not, get one of those wolf tooth things.
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Get a XTR 9-speed rear derailleur. The 9-speed versions can be had for much less than $100. I've seen a few pass through our local bike Co-op - donated.

The XTR units are made to the same level of quality of workmanship and materials as the contemporaneous Dura-Ace 9-speed units.

Of course, Shimano road and MTB derailleurs and shifters of this era were cross-compatible.

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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
Get a XTR 9-speed rear derailleur. The 9-speed versions can be had for much less than $100. I've seen a few pass through our local bike Co-op - donated.

The XTR units are made to the same level of quality of workmanship and materials as the contemporaneous Dura-Ace 9-speed units.

Of course, Shimano road and MTB derailleurs and shifters of this era were cross-compatible.
I would like to keep using this 7800 10 speed derailleur since its a match to the groupset.
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OK... Then transplant a cage assembly from the 9-speed XTR (only) derailleur over to the Dura-Ace derailleur body.
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Originally Posted by Dave Mayer
OK... Then transplant a cage assembly from the 9-speed XTR (only) derailleur over to the Dura-Ace derailleur body.
This already has a "long" cage but in that era it was called Mid
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The cage isn't going to change whether the 32 clears the pulley. It's unlikely that it will, but depends on the configuration of the dropout. Try it and see. If it doesn't work, Wolf Tooth, MTB derailleur or reversed B screw are some options. Why not go to a compact crank if you need easier gearing?
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Keep in mind that the parallelogram design of the rear derailleur governs how wide the rang is for the mech to shift. The cage will not guarantee the size of the cassette to be used.
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Originally Posted by malcala622
I would like to keep using this 7800 10 speed derailleur since its a match to the groupset.
Your Dura Ace rear derailleur will not clear a 32t rear cog in its stock configuration.

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Originally Posted by Davet
Your Dura Ace rear derailleur will not clear a 32t rear cog.
Thanks for this straight up answer. 2nd option was going 12-28 cassette and 50t big chainring. Theyre easily avaipable.

@shelbyfv thanks for that suggestion. It was a option i had in mind.
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I'm using that derailleur with a 12-30 cassette with zero problems. I don't think anything larger would fit.
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