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Old 10-08-19, 12:44 PM
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Bicycle chain question

I do not have a degree in chaintology and, frankly, I find all the variances in chain designation confusing.
I recall that as a lad, bicycle chain was bicycle chain. You rocked up to the local bike shop or hardware, paid your $$ and replaced the worn chain. And it was worn! - we extracted the maximum life out of them through pure ignorance and necessity
My Shadow handcycle and this Schwinn tricycle I'm helping a mate with, are both low load vehicles. So high end chain is not likely needed.
I clean my chain in petrol and lube/protect with wax.
We have been offered some KMC 2E 410 chain in 5 or 6 metre lengths. The handcycle is 150+ links so this chain would negate the need to splice standard lengths or double link.
Is anyone familiar with this KMC 2E 410 chain ? What is the 2E and 410 designation?
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Chains are still pretty much chains. The inner part where the teeth go is the same dimension as ever, but the outside of some has narrowed, with flush pins and thinner plates. Does your bike have multiple cogs to shift the chain among? If so, just see if the chain matches with how many cogs you have. 10 cogs = 10 speed chain. 6/7/8 cogs all work with the same common chain. It will say right on the packaging, assuming there's packaging.

If you're not shifting on those bikes, any chain will work.
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Hi ljsense. Thanks, I overlooked to provide that information.
Both machines are single chainwheel onto a single sprocket internal hub.
The Shadow is Sachs S7 with a Schlumpf drive. The Schwinn is using a SA 3 speed internal hub. That SA is another worry for the other thread
There is no packaging that I am aware of, except that it comes in a plastic bag

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Originally Posted by slow_runner
I do not have a degree in chaintology and, frankly, I find all the variances in chain designation confusing.
I recall that as a lad, bicycle chain was bicycle chain. You rocked up to the local bike shop or hardware, paid your $$ and replaced the worn chain. And it was worn! - we extracted the maximum life out of them through pure ignorance and necessity
My Shadow handcycle and this Schwinn tricycle I'm helping a mate with, are both low load vehicles. So high end chain is not likely needed.
I clean my chain in petrol and lube/protect with wax.
We have been offered some KMC 2E 410 chain in 5 or 6 metre lengths. The handcycle is 150+ links so this chain would negate the need to splice standard lengths or double link.
Is anyone familiar with this KMC 2E 410 chain ? What is the 2E and 410 designation?
Cheers.
The part number you supplied means nothing to me and searches for come up nil. Typically all the 410 chains I have seen from KMC are 1/2"x1/8", 112 links long, and suitable for single sprocket rear wheels (including internal 3-speed hubs). I presume the 410 is the base model number, no idea what the 2E means.
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Measure across the rivet pins, and check here for # of speeds intended. While you can use any chain for single speed or where derailleurs aren't involved, the larger rollers on 1/8" chains will provide longer service. If your chain measures 9 mm wide at a rivet, 7 mm is a 5,6,7,8 speed, less than that and it's a size per speed.

KMC stuff is all quality, most of their designations relate to # of speeds and chain material (e.g. oiled HT Steel, nickel plate, full stainless, etc.).

Connex/Wipperman has 1/8" designations for wide sprockets and narrow sprockets drives. I'm not sure it's necessary.
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Originally Posted by Unca_Sam
While you can use any chain for single speed
What do the front chainrings look like? Many single speeds have big thick chainrings and require a wider chain.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
What do the front chainrings look like? Many single speeds have big thick chainrings and require a wider chain.
You're right. I'll go sit in the corner now. BTW, this is apparently a 1/8" chain, so it should work on the IGH setups described.
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Thanks Sam, I will check with the vendor and measure the old chain/s

Is it Connex/Wipperman that have the quality reusable quick links?
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Originally Posted by slow_runner
Thanks Sam, I will check with the vendor and measure the old chain/s

Is it Connex/Wipperman that have the quality reusable quick links?
Cheers.
Yes, their quick links are reusable.
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Originally Posted by slow_runner
Thanks Sam, I will check with the vendor and measure the old chain/s

Is it Connex/Wipperman that have the quality reusable quick links?
Cheers.
I have had good results with KMC and SRAM chains with quick links as well.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch What do the front chainrings look like? Many single speeds have big thick chainrings and require a wider chain.
Thank you Grouch, I will measure the chainrings on them all.
I heard back that the pins measure 9.6mm so we should be good to go.
The trike runs 1/8" chain, as does the BSA.
The Shadow trike looks to be 3/32"?

Interestingly, the BSA AW3 hub has a Sachs 3/32" 19T sprocket which I am replacing with a 1/8" 18T. Doing this I can have another gear option for the Shadow hub.

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Chainrings
Schwinn 2.5mm
Quickie Shadow 3.2mm
BSA 2.7mm
I couldn't get to the Raleigh 20 detachable. I imagine it is the same as the BSA.
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