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02-07-18, 10:06 PM
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Everyone be nice. 
There are a few Lightning SE's floating around the interwebz with Record Pista. Campy has lower Q factor than Shimano so I think it will be iite. Still, it would be nice to see just one photo of an SE with DA cranks.
I'm not loosing sleep so please don't argue. It is just an idea. Last time I had an idea to build a Cervelo R5 road bike and wound up with a Niner gravel bike. Life is more fun that way.
-Tim-
There are a few Lightning SE's floating around the interwebz with Record Pista. Campy has lower Q factor than Shimano so I think it will be iite. Still, it would be nice to see just one photo of an SE with DA cranks.
I'm not loosing sleep so please don't argue. It is just an idea. Last time I had an idea to build a Cervelo R5 road bike and wound up with a Niner gravel bike. Life is more fun that way.
-Tim-
02-07-18, 11:50 PM
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Everyone be nice.
There are a few Lightning SE's floating around the interwebz with Record Pista. Campy has lower Q factor than Shimano so I think it will be iite. Still, it would be nice to see just one photo of an SE with DA cranks.
I'm not loosing sleep so please don't argue. It is just an idea. Last time I had an idea to build a Cervelo R5 road bike and wound up with a Niner gravel bike. Life is more fun that way.
-Tim-
There are a few Lightning SE's floating around the interwebz with Record Pista. Campy has lower Q factor than Shimano so I think it will be iite. Still, it would be nice to see just one photo of an SE with DA cranks.
I'm not loosing sleep so please don't argue. It is just an idea. Last time I had an idea to build a Cervelo R5 road bike and wound up with a Niner gravel bike. Life is more fun that way.
-Tim-
02-08-18, 11:45 AM
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02-08-18, 11:56 AM
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Everyone be nice.
There are a few Lightning SE's floating around the interwebz with Record Pista. Campy has lower Q factor than Shimano so I think it will be iite. Still, it would be nice to see just one photo of an SE with DA cranks.
I'm not loosing sleep so please don't argue. It is just an idea. Last time I had an idea to build a Cervelo R5 road bike and wound up with a Niner gravel bike. Life is more fun that way.
-Tim-
There are a few Lightning SE's floating around the interwebz with Record Pista. Campy has lower Q factor than Shimano so I think it will be iite. Still, it would be nice to see just one photo of an SE with DA cranks.
I'm not loosing sleep so please don't argue. It is just an idea. Last time I had an idea to build a Cervelo R5 road bike and wound up with a Niner gravel bike. Life is more fun that way.
-Tim-
02-08-18, 01:17 PM
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SRAM actually makes this easy. They publish dimensional drawings of every part they make for frame and component manufacturer's reference. The link below is one of several documents they produce yearly and is typical. They have one which shows the Omniums.
https://www.sram.com.cn/sites/default...ifications.pdf
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02-08-18, 01:20 PM
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02-08-18, 01:25 PM
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02-08-18, 06:40 PM
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02-08-18, 08:18 PM
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I'm thinking of a Wabi Lightning SE and swapping parts between that and my Bianchi Pista.
The Pista has Nitto bar and stem, Dura Ace brakes, Thomson Elite post, Fizik Saddle, SRAM S500 levers and Dura Ace crankset/bottom bracket. That would all go on the Wabi and the parts from the Wabi would go onto the Pista with the idea of selling it. Both have Wabi Sub 15 wheels so I would keep the new set on the Wabi.
The Pista is fun but it doesn't have braze on for bottle cages and the Wabi would be around 17 lb where the Pista is almost 19 lb.
One concern is the note on the Wabi page which says that they will not guarantee that any part will fit other than what they supply with the bike and that they should be called to see if they know of any issues. Both the Wabi and Bianchi have 68 mm BSA bottom bracket shell but chainstay clearance for the DA crankset on the Wabi is a concern and I'll probably give them a call if I do decide to order.
Thoughts or opinions would be welcome.
-Tim-
The Pista has Nitto bar and stem, Dura Ace brakes, Thomson Elite post, Fizik Saddle, SRAM S500 levers and Dura Ace crankset/bottom bracket. That would all go on the Wabi and the parts from the Wabi would go onto the Pista with the idea of selling it. Both have Wabi Sub 15 wheels so I would keep the new set on the Wabi.
The Pista is fun but it doesn't have braze on for bottle cages and the Wabi would be around 17 lb where the Pista is almost 19 lb.
One concern is the note on the Wabi page which says that they will not guarantee that any part will fit other than what they supply with the bike and that they should be called to see if they know of any issues. Both the Wabi and Bianchi have 68 mm BSA bottom bracket shell but chainstay clearance for the DA crankset on the Wabi is a concern and I'll probably give them a call if I do decide to order.
Thoughts or opinions would be welcome.
-Tim-
If it helps, I had the same concern about a month ago when swapping cranksets. I had read the same thing on their website about crankset clearance (and maybe on BF from Scrod?) I can't confirm that the chainstays on the Lightning are the same as the Special, but, I had no issues with clearance, and still have lots of room to spare.
I'm running vintage Shimano 600 EX cranks now, 50T ring with 170mm arms. The bottom bracket is 107mm. You'll notice that the crank arm and spider profiles of the old 600's is very similar to current DA, also to Sugino 75's:
02-09-18, 03:28 PM
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Thank you Mr. Bigs!
The 600 EX are pretty.
I think the DA arms are a little straighter. It looks like they don't have that curve near the chainring... maybe.
-Tim-
The 600 EX are pretty.
I think the DA arms are a little straighter. It looks like they don't have that curve near the chainring... maybe.
-Tim-
02-10-18, 05:12 PM
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Ya, the 600EX arms stick out just a wee bit more. Mind you, you could run a 110mm BB instead? Also comparing our photos, it appears that the Wabi chainstays taper inwards more.
The Wabi drive side chainstay is also dimpled for better chainring clearance, so at least you know that wouldn't be an issue.
The Wabi drive side chainstay is also dimpled for better chainring clearance, so at least you know that wouldn't be an issue.
02-10-18, 10:15 PM
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Ya, the 600EX arms stick out just a wee bit more. Mind you, you could run a 110mm BB instead? Also comparing our photos, it appears that the Wabi chainstays taper inwards more.
The Wabi drive side chainstay is also dimpled for better chainring clearance, so at least you know that wouldn't be an issue.
The Wabi drive side chainstay is also dimpled for better chainring clearance, so at least you know that wouldn't be an issue.
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Now I'm torn between the sizes - 55 vs 52. I've always felt like my bikes were too long and never had a stem longer than 90 mm on any bike.
The Bianchi Pista size 55 geo is almost identical to the Wabi Lightning SE size 55 with the exception of angles. The Pista has steeper angles. The Wabi is a bit more relaxed.
I'm running a 90 mm stem on the Pista and a straight seatpost and am starting to think that a size 52 Wabi would allow me to run a longer stem and setback post. The size 52 Wabi top tube is only 1 cm shorter than the size 55 Pista but the seat tube is 2.5 cm shorter after accounting for bottom bracket drop.
Any thoughts at all would be appreciated.
-Tim-
02-11-18, 12:30 AM
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Might as well try the smaller size since it doesn't seem much different. Worst case scenario you are running a setback post a little higher and a slightly longer stem and you get that race fit look.
02-11-18, 03:29 AM
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And since the Wabi is slacker, I'm thinking Tim's butt would already be farther behind the crank than on the Pista, so for sure no set back post. Unless he's trying to get farther back. No? Yes? Maybe?
02-11-18, 02:20 PM
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I'm thinking of a Wabi Lightning SE and swapping parts between that and my Bianchi Pista.
The Pista has Nitto bar and stem, Dura Ace brakes, Thomson Elite post, Fizik Saddle, SRAM S500 levers and Dura Ace crankset/bottom bracket. That would all go on the Wabi and the parts from the Wabi would go onto the Pista with the idea of selling it. Both have Wabi Sub 15 wheels so I would keep the new set on the Wabi.
The Pista is fun but it doesn't have braze on for bottle cages and the Wabi would be around 17 lb where the Pista is almost 19 lb.
One concern is the note on the Wabi page which says that they will not guarantee that any part will fit other than what they supply with the bike and that they should be called to see if they know of any issues. Both the Wabi and Bianchi have 68 mm BSA bottom bracket shell but chainstay clearance for the DA crankset on the Wabi is a concern and I'll probably give them a call if I do decide to order.
Thoughts or opinions would be welcome.
-Tim-
The Pista has Nitto bar and stem, Dura Ace brakes, Thomson Elite post, Fizik Saddle, SRAM S500 levers and Dura Ace crankset/bottom bracket. That would all go on the Wabi and the parts from the Wabi would go onto the Pista with the idea of selling it. Both have Wabi Sub 15 wheels so I would keep the new set on the Wabi.
The Pista is fun but it doesn't have braze on for bottle cages and the Wabi would be around 17 lb where the Pista is almost 19 lb.
One concern is the note on the Wabi page which says that they will not guarantee that any part will fit other than what they supply with the bike and that they should be called to see if they know of any issues. Both the Wabi and Bianchi have 68 mm BSA bottom bracket shell but chainstay clearance for the DA crankset on the Wabi is a concern and I'll probably give them a call if I do decide to order.
Thoughts or opinions would be welcome.
-Tim-
Don't know how I missed this?
Anyway - I, for one, would really hate to see the dismantling of the winner of the "World's Most Most Expensive Pista" contest
02-15-18, 04:36 PM
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Chainring
Does this look like a decent chainring to test some new gearing?
https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/components-c9/chainrings-c69/brev-m-chain-ring-130bcd-p1886
Dave
https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/components-c9/chainrings-c69/brev-m-chain-ring-130bcd-p1886
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02-15-18, 11:57 PM
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Does this look like a decent chainring to test some new gearing?
https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/compo...g-130bcd-p1886
Dave
https://www.tritoncycles.co.uk/compo...g-130bcd-p1886
Dave
Brev M is the OEM brand for MASI. Think Trek and Bontrager, Fuji/ Kestrel and Oval concepts sort of deal.
02-16-18, 11:47 AM
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Whats the easiest way to adjust SPD cleat placement on a new shoe/cleat/pedal setup? Trial and error is my current method.
02-20-18, 04:15 PM
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Wabi doesn't have Lightning SE in stock in my size and so I'd be interested in suggestions for a nice fixed gear road frame - steel with carbon fork - similar to the Wabi Lightning SE.
Weight is a primary concern and a custom is not out of the question.
It should have road geometry to the extent that it is possible and braze ons for two bottle cages. I'm not looking for a track bike but a fixed gear road bike.
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Weight is a primary concern and a custom is not out of the question.
It should have road geometry to the extent that it is possible and braze ons for two bottle cages. I'm not looking for a track bike but a fixed gear road bike.
-Tim-
02-20-18, 05:24 PM
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Wabi doesn't have Lightning SE in stock in my size and so I'd be interested in suggestions for a nice fixed gear road frame - steel with carbon fork - similar to the Wabi Lightning SE.
Weight is a primary concern and a custom is not out of the question.
It should have road geometry to the extent that it is possible and braze ons for two bottle cages. I'm not looking for a track bike but a fixed gear road bike.
-Tim-
Weight is a primary concern and a custom is not out of the question.
It should have road geometry to the extent that it is possible and braze ons for two bottle cages. I'm not looking for a track bike but a fixed gear road bike.
-Tim-
You like spending money. So... just get a bike that is perfect in every single detail. Literally every tube, size, shape, angle and length designed by you. Braze ons for anything and everything you want, anywhere on the bike.
I did a bunch or research on frame builders and decided that I'd go to Tomii if I were going to get a custom.
https://www.tomiicycles.com/
02-20-18, 06:49 PM
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I wish I knew of another option that fits those criteria, but it seems to be a unicorn.
