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Old 03-19-20, 02:57 PM
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I like mrs non-fixie's Snel "Expedition" I posted about earlier, so when I found one in my size I jumped at it, and took a similar approach to the first build. A parts bin special to begin with, to see how I would like the bike, as it's a really sturdy (read: heavy) touring frame. I got the weight down to a little over 13kg by removing the racks and replacing the 40-spoke touring wheels with their solid rubber Schwalbe Marathons:

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Nishiki TriA with R7000 silver groupset
Rear cassette has a 34T to make my life easier. Compact crankset with 160 mm arms.
I have some 200 miles with the shorter crank arm and can't tell there is much/any difference when compared with 165 mm ones. Hopefully is more gentle to my knees in the long run.
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8 Speed Mirage -> 7 speed Shimano cassette

Looking forward to riding this soon. It sure looks good.

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I just got this Guerciotti SL back together after long restoration process. I haven't got to ride it yet.


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I just got this Guerciotti SL back together after long restoration process. I haven't got to ride it yet.


Nice!
Road's calling!!
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Had another pair of 'old 9-speeds' left. Used it to build my Nöll with Shimagnolo 7-speed. Sorry for the fuzzy phone pic.

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Originally Posted by phtomita View Post
Nishiki TriA with R7000 silver groupset
Rear cassette has a 34T to make my life easier. Compact crankset with 160 mm arms.
I have some 200 miles with the shorter crank arm and can't tell there is much/any difference when compared with 165 mm ones. Hopefully is more gentle to my knees in the long run.

I had the same idea, DA 9 speed.
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phtomita I like where you are going with shorter cranks. rhm has written some interesting ideas about crank length. He is fairly tall and likes short cranks. I'm approximately medium height but a slight bit shorter. My jeans inseam is 30 inch. I usually ride 170 mm cranks because they are plentiful. Whenever I try a bike with very slightly longer cranks, I hate it. I didn't believe one could feel such a small difference but I do feel it. He suggested I try 155 mm cranks when they showed up on ebay, and I thought they might feel weird, and they don't! I have them on my fixed gear bike with a low ratio.
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phtomita I like where you are going with shorter cranks. rhm has written some interesting ideas about crank length. He is fairly tall and likes short cranks. I'm approximately medium height but a slight bit shorter. My jeans inseam is 30 inch. I usually ride 170 mm cranks because they are plentiful. Whenever I try a bike with very slightly longer cranks, I hate it. I didn't believe one could feel such a small difference but I do feel it. He suggested I try 155 mm cranks when they showed up on ebay, and I thought they might feel weird, and they don't! I have them on my fixed gear bike with a low ratio.
I am shorter too, inseam is 29.5 inches and my bikes are 50 or 52 cm.
I have an experiment with a 145 mm crank arm I got for the Centurion Ironman. It was actually a triple and with only 2 rings in the front, I adjusted the limit screws on a dura-ace triple FD I got from co-op.
Result - I did some 30 to 40 miles ride and cramps. It is hanging on the garage wall since. It feels very strange with 145 mm, and needed much more effort on a light up hill and probably won't keep trying that short.
I had my eyes for the 160 mm hollowtech when R7000 came out and pulled the trigger this year that got some budget.
So far, love it and after a longer ride on Saturday it's all good for the Spring/Summer.
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Old 04-05-20, 01:08 PM
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There's some stellar steel in this thread
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There's some stellar steel in this thread
Yep. Read if from the beginning, and there's a pleasant surprise on every page.
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Just a couple weeks over a year since I last posted this '78 Kvale, but a lot of water under the bridge since then. Especially this past month...

Found a lighter FSA SLK 4-bolt crabon crank, put on a SRAM XX-1099 11-36t weight-weenie special cassette, and sub'd in a vintage-ish Titec Malone 7075 46mm bar for the Nitto Noodle/48 (250g vs 370g). The Kvale just broke into the very-high 18lb range. About all's that's left to go lighter, that I'm comfy with, would be a carbon-railed saddle, so I'm on a slow-boil hunt for a Specialized Toupe Pro 155 in white.

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Originally Posted by pcb View Post
Just a couple weeks over a year since I last posted this '78 Kvale, but a lot of water under the bridge since then. Especially this past month...

Found a lighter FSA SLK 4-bolt crabon crank, put on a SRAM XX-1099 11-36t weight-weenie special cassette, and sub'd in a vintage-ish Titec Malone 7075 46mm bar for the Nitto Noodle/48 (250g vs 370g). The Kvale just broke into the very-high 18lb range. About all's that's left to go lighter, that I'm comfy with, would be a carbon-railed saddle, so I'm on a slow-boil hunt for a Specialized Toupe Pro 155 in white.

Wow. Looks fantastic.

I have a Kvale frameset sitting here.

Waiting on a refinish.

Color scheme is now confirmed..
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Fausto Coppi with Dura Ace 7800


Early 90s? Fausto Coppi. Maybe someday I'll put Italian parts on it, but for now Dura Ace 7800. So smooth. Columbus Minimal fork is awesome light and looks svelte enough for vintage steel bikes (I think). 19.2 lbs as pictured.

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Ooh, that is pretty. I much prefer the looks of carbon (and really all) forks that have a curve to them like yours does to those that are just angled at the head tube.
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Old 04-06-20, 08:45 AM
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Early 90s? Fausto Coppi. Maybe someday I'll put Italian parts on it, but for now Dura Ace 7800. So smooth. Columbus Minimal fork is awesome light and looks svelte enough for vintage steel bikes (I think). 19.2 lbs as pictured.
Bike looks great. Can you please share more about this Fork and headset?
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Just a couple weeks over a year since I last posted this '78 Kvale, but a lot of water under the bridge since then. Especially this past month...

Found a lighter FSA SLK 4-bolt crabon crank, put on a SRAM XX-1099 11-36t weight-weenie special cassette, and sub'd in a vintage-ish Titec Malone 7075 46mm bar for the Nitto Noodle/48 (250g vs 370g). The Kvale just broke into the very-high 18lb range. About all's that's left to go lighter, that I'm comfy with, would be a carbon-railed saddle, so I'm on a slow-boil hunt for a Specialized Toupe Pro 155 in white.

Digging those cranks.cfsa slk carbon 4 bolt is what its called?
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Just a couple weeks over a year since I last posted this '78 Kvale, but a lot of water under the bridge since then. Especially this past month...

Found a lighter FSA SLK 4-bolt crabon crank, put on a SRAM XX-1099 11-36t weight-weenie special cassette, and sub'd in a vintage-ish Titec Malone 7075 46mm bar for the Nitto Noodle/48 (250g vs 370g). The Kvale just broke into the very-high 18lb range. About all's that's left to go lighter, that I'm comfy with, would be a carbon-railed saddle, so I'm on a slow-boil hunt for a Specialized Toupe Pro 155 in white.

What are those tires?
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Covering two q's in one reply.

The tires are labeled Panaracer Competition SX, with "Protite Belt" and "Super Supple Casing." They're sized 28-622, measure about 30.5mm on HED 23mm o-o rims. I think they're Panaracer's highest-zoot road tire, mine all weighed 200-205g each, lightest 28mm belted tire I've used, lightest 28mm tire period. But it's hard finding info on them, and I don't see anybody selling them now. Maybe they were Japan only, or got absorbed into the Race EVO series?

I dunno, they seemed to magically appear in the US last year. Excel was blowing out 25-28mm sizes at an insane $29ea, and there was a bit of a frenzy on the forums/lists. AFAIK everybody who bought loved 'em, and just about everybody wished they'd bought more. I most definitely wish I had another couple of pair on hand. Here's a write-up, I've got no connection to the author/site:
https://www.omcyclingbuffalo.com/sin...n-SX-28mm-Tire

The cranks are FSA SL-K Light, which is a model they've had for years now. Formerly 5-bolt, now 4-bolt, with narrower-profile arms, and lighter. These are an ebay find, a couple/few years old I think? I wasn't anxious to jump into another bolt-circle standard, everything else in-house is 5-bolt 110 or 130, but I got a couple to shave some grams. Current iteration looks like this:
https://shop.fullspeedahead.com/en/t...o-crankset2019

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I've got a pair of those Panaracer Comp. SX in 25mm and love them. Very, very nice riding tire, and that blowout price was unbeatable.

That Kvale is beautiful!
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Yep. Read if from the beginning, and there's a pleasant surprise on every page.
I did, that was my reaction on page 305.
Wanted to post a picture of my updated steel bike, not enough posts, just didn't want to spam other threads for post count.
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Originally Posted by pcb View Post
Just a couple weeks over a year since I last posted this '78 Kvale, but a lot of water under the bridge since then. Especially this past month...

Found a lighter FSA SLK 4-bolt crabon crank, put on a SRAM XX-1099 11-36t weight-weenie special cassette, and sub'd in a vintage-ish Titec Malone 7075 46mm bar for the Nitto Noodle/48 (250g vs 370g). The Kvale just broke into the very-high 18lb range. About all's that's left to go lighter, that I'm comfy with, would be a carbon-railed saddle, so I'm on a slow-boil hunt for a Specialized Toupe Pro 155 in white.


Wow wow wow. So nice. You don't have to change a thing since it looks great already, but have you thought about white bartape? The Fizik stuff is easy to clean and rides nice.
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I’m a noob to the forum. Very happy to have found it however. I was researching buying a new bike which led me to consider selling my current road bikes. So I came here looking for value estimates and ended up coming to the realization that I couldn’t part with either. After looking around here I was amazed by some of the builds, so I decided to fix what bugged me about my more current ride, an 02, Cannondale r3000si. Namely the gearing as I spend most of my time climbing. After looking for just a compact crankset, I found that by the time I replaced everything I’d need to I was only a couple hundred bucks away from just getting an entirely new Ultegra groupset with a 52/36 crank and 11-34 cassette. So that’s the direction I went. I know the dale being an 02’ is not quite what this thread is about but I’ll post pics before and after if I’m welcome to do so.

But, now my wheels are really turning about my 87’ Panasonic DX5000. I want to make this a bigger project. So with inspiration from here I’m going to start acquiring those parts for a future build. The bike is still beautiful in its standard light purple metallic and white paint, white bar tape and saddle. As such, the modern black wheels and black components aren’t going to look right. Sourcing modern silver polished wheels will be the first order, as I’ll need to fit a modern cassette and I’d like to be able to run at least 28mm tires. Then, I’ll need to acquire a modern drivetrain and set about stripping and polishing the crank at least and maybe some of the other components as well. At the end of the day, I’m here to say thanks for the unspiration. I’ll be back : )

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Battle axe


What a feast for the eyes this thread is! Someday I will restore this battle axe. 82' Sequoia with 3x8 105 shifters and longreach ultegra brakes.

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@hellion14, welcome! A famous steel frame builder, Dave Moulton, recently said putting a modern drivetrain on an old steel frame gives you the best of both worlds. I like it. I've built most of my bikes by cobbling together components I get used and cheap-ish. But I have bought some components new, and it's a little less hassle. Either way, it's a fun challenge, and it usually works out well. There are sometimes problems along the way.
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