A very interesting article - driver /cyclist crashes
06-19-19, 07:19 AM
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Yes. I agree. I don't know if there definately is a trend or my own selectiveness but I read a lot of articles where the driver is charged much lessor offences if the victim is not in a car.
06-19-19, 03:18 PM
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Sorry, I'm not able to understand the meaning of this post, despite re-reading it several times. Can the poster, or anyone else, please explain?
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06-19-19, 07:11 PM
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06-20-19, 04:41 AM
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Plea deal - Guilty
“June, 17th 2019, Longmont, CO…. Stephen Gray, the driver who hit Triny Willerton on May 8, 2018, plead guilty today in a Longmont court to careless driving causing bodily injury. With that plea he was assessed four points against his license, a $300 fine, 60 hours of community service and will have to complete the bicycle friendly driving course developed by Bicycle Colorado.”
-mr. bill
“June, 17th 2019, Longmont, CO…. Stephen Gray, the driver who hit Triny Willerton on May 8, 2018, plead guilty today in a Longmont court to careless driving causing bodily injury. With that plea he was assessed four points against his license, a $300 fine, 60 hours of community service and will have to complete the bicycle friendly driving course developed by Bicycle Colorado.”
-mr. bill
06-23-19, 08:13 PM
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The meaning is that RollFast is still blaming the cyclist even after the driver plead guilty. Some people always blame the cyclist regardless of the facts.
06-23-19, 09:17 PM
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You kids and your conspiracy theories, all I wanted was more T.Rex on You Tube.
I suppose that if you worry that the rest of the world is out to kill you, then there are more sausages, cheese and pickles for the rest of us.
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06-23-19, 09:57 PM
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No wonder you guys aren't going to change my sheets at the nursing home.
I'm going to die in my sleep in my own bed.
I'm going to die in my sleep in my own bed.
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06-24-19, 07:07 AM
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Nope, I got pulled over and yelled at about it by an officer that gave a damn.
You kids and your conspiracy theories, all I wanted was more T.Rex on You Tube.
I suppose that if you worry that the rest of the world is out to kill you, then there are more sausages, cheese and pickles for the rest of us.
You kids and your conspiracy theories, all I wanted was more T.Rex on You Tube.
I suppose that if you worry that the rest of the world is out to kill you, then there are more sausages, cheese and pickles for the rest of us.
BTW, your writing is atrocious, and I can't decipher what you are trying to say about half of the time.
06-24-19, 08:00 AM
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Second, you seem to miss the point---whether or not the cyclist was wearing a helmet is IRRELEVANT, because the cyclist was hit by the car. Wearing a helmet would not have Prevented the Collision. But to mention whether the rider was wearing a helmet tends to shift Responsibility for the Collision to the cyclist. And unless you wear football shoulder pads, knee-pads, elbow pads, and wrist guards ... you aren't trying.
People look right past bikes ... and people look right past motorcycles (ask a buddy who rides one.) And as for Hi-Viz, most motorcycle headlights are brighter than car headlights. I don't think your danger-orange vest is beating out a 2000-candlepower beam in terms of being eye-catching... but people look right past motorcycles.
You keep basing your arguments on an "either/or" binary assumption. This clothing tends to be light and is more visible at longer distances than black is in ambient light. Cars having "no lights" is a relatively rare occurrence. The fact that something isn't perfect doesn't mean one wouldn't be better-off using it.
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06-24-19, 08:17 AM
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These don't seem to be what people are noticing, at night, about moving vehicles (that is, the reflectors appear to be more for parked/stationary cars).
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06-24-19, 08:55 AM
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Studies (believe them if you like) show that the number-one indicator of a bicycle for a driver is a pedal reflector or a light on the ankle.
Some lighting give s some chance that a driver will know there is Something ahead.
Again, it rests on the driver. idiots and mule-holes will endanger others accidentally or out of spite, most drivers will avoid incidents.
Don't really care what other cyclists do .... like the rest of you, I have a set-up which makes me feel safe enough and so far I haven't been killed. We could always mount more lights .... and after an accident, should one happen, we can always wonder if more lights (or some other thing) might have made a difference.
As with bike locks, most of what we are buying is peace of mind and a little bit of protection against the the majority of drivers, which may or may not even be needed. (After all, I am sure many of us have spotted ninja riders in our headlights and taken avoidance actions .... )
Some lighting give s some chance that a driver will know there is Something ahead.
Again, it rests on the driver. idiots and mule-holes will endanger others accidentally or out of spite, most drivers will avoid incidents.
Don't really care what other cyclists do .... like the rest of you, I have a set-up which makes me feel safe enough and so far I haven't been killed. We could always mount more lights .... and after an accident, should one happen, we can always wonder if more lights (or some other thing) might have made a difference.
As with bike locks, most of what we are buying is peace of mind and a little bit of protection against the the majority of drivers, which may or may not even be needed. (After all, I am sure many of us have spotted ninja riders in our headlights and taken avoidance actions .... )
06-24-19, 08:50 PM
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How different will these arguments be if the victim was in a car? Would the issue of her wearing a seat belt or her car being hi-viz colour be relevant regarding being struck by a car?
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06-25-19, 11:39 AM
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meanwhile, if the front of your vehicle strikes another auto, you're assumed to be at fault by your insurance company 
I recently couldn't make this left when I wanted to. I think my 2 mirrors helped me know that even tho I saw 2 cars when I turned my head there was a 3rd. this one
& here's a clip of my Wife at a road crossing - never looks left! but, in my opinion, there is a very real threat potential. I think I need to ride in front. she hates it when I give her cycling advice
I recently couldn't make this left when I wanted to. I think my 2 mirrors helped me know that even tho I saw 2 cars when I turned my head there was a 3rd. this one
& here's a clip of my Wife at a road crossing - never looks left! but, in my opinion, there is a very real threat potential. I think I need to ride in front. she hates it when I give her cycling advice
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Yeah, why even bother looking back, or signalling. If they're gonna hit ya, they're gonna hit ya, right?
I suppose she could have noticed, "Hey this guy isn't slowing down. Abort turn, abort!" I need to do that almost every day, if I see someone barrelling toward me and am not sure if they saw me, I assume they didn't see me, and get out of the way. What is the point of even looking back, if you are not gonna act on what you see? Or do such an inept job of looking back, that you don't see the car that ultimately hits you. That's not an excuse, it's borderline negligence.
I suppose she could have noticed, "Hey this guy isn't slowing down. Abort turn, abort!" I need to do that almost every day, if I see someone barrelling toward me and am not sure if they saw me, I assume they didn't see me, and get out of the way. What is the point of even looking back, if you are not gonna act on what you see? Or do such an inept job of looking back, that you don't see the car that ultimately hits you. That's not an excuse, it's borderline negligence.
Expecting drivers behind you to stop is reasonable, and expecting them not to try to pass you on the left while turning left is beyond reasonable. If you try to operate with the assumption that any driver is capable of pulling such a ridiculously dangerous maneuver, you will never be able to travel.
Triumph had an issue some years ago because they had dual headlights mounted horizontally on the front of some of their motorcycles. When both lights were on, it gave some people the impression that it was a car far in the distance, rather than a motorcycle at a much closer distance.
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06-27-19, 06:56 AM
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So, let's see, the police decide it was the driver's fault, the driver admits it was his fault, and pleads guilty, and we're the people with conspiracy theories because we believe it's the driver's fault? He crossed a double yellow line to strike her as she executed a lawful turn. How exactly was she supposed to anticipate that?
BTW, your writing is atrocious, and I can't decipher what you are trying to say about half of the time.
BTW, your writing is atrocious, and I can't decipher what you are trying to say about half of the time.
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Thread is done now.
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