Who would buy this Crosstrail Pro Disc
03-08-14, 06:01 PM
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And FYI, Martyn Ashton's video was a commercial stunt
So? IT WAS SPONSORED VIDEO/ADVERTISEMENT OF THE FIRST ROAD BIKE EVER WITH DISC BRAKES
His bike was also modified for him to be able to do all these stunts
No it was not. YES IT WAS MODIFIED. GOOGLE HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
It won the TdF,that's why it cost so much. If you had read the blurb on YouTube:
Martyn Ashton takes the £10k carbon road bike used by Team Sky's Bradley Wiggins & Mark Cavendish for a ride with a difference. With a plan to push the limits of road biking as far as his lycra legs would dare, Martyn looked to get his ultimate ride out of the awesome Pinarello Dogma 2. This bike won the 2012 Tour de France - surely it deserves a Road Bike Party! WRONG NUMBER MY FRIEND...AGAIN, GOOGLE IT CLOSER TO THE SOURCE. THERE IS 2 VIDEOS. I'M TALKING ABOUT 2ND, YOU TAKING ABOUT 1ST ONE
Here's the follow-up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee54EP-nho4
I have no reason not to believe him. In fact,I'm pretty sure that is something had gone wrong,they would have shown it for comic relief. THERE IS NOTHING COMIC IN SHOWING YOUR PRODUCT FAILING...
So? IT WAS SPONSORED VIDEO/ADVERTISEMENT OF THE FIRST ROAD BIKE EVER WITH DISC BRAKES
His bike was also modified for him to be able to do all these stunts
No it was not. YES IT WAS MODIFIED. GOOGLE HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW
It won the TdF,that's why it cost so much. If you had read the blurb on YouTube:
Martyn Ashton takes the £10k carbon road bike used by Team Sky's Bradley Wiggins & Mark Cavendish for a ride with a difference. With a plan to push the limits of road biking as far as his lycra legs would dare, Martyn looked to get his ultimate ride out of the awesome Pinarello Dogma 2. This bike won the 2012 Tour de France - surely it deserves a Road Bike Party! WRONG NUMBER MY FRIEND...AGAIN, GOOGLE IT CLOSER TO THE SOURCE. THERE IS 2 VIDEOS. I'M TALKING ABOUT 2ND, YOU TAKING ABOUT 1ST ONE
Here's the follow-up:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee54EP-nho4
I have no reason not to believe him. In fact,I'm pretty sure that is something had gone wrong,they would have shown it for comic relief. THERE IS NOTHING COMIC IN SHOWING YOUR PRODUCT FAILING...
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03-08-14, 06:10 PM
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Dude,what are you talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmJtYaUTa0
Please post a screen capture showing the disc brakes on that bike.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmJtYaUTa0
Please post a screen capture showing the disc brakes on that bike.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
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03-08-14, 06:27 PM
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1. Once again, how -- precisely -- is the sponsorship of Martyn Ashton's film(s) in any way relevant to the question of the alleged fragility/breakability of carbon fibre, or indeed to Martyn Ashton's accident?
2. Yes, the second bike (Colnago disc) was modified -- slightly; the first (a Pinarello) was not:
"This time, gone is the rim-braked Pinarello from Road Bike Party and in is the world’s first production disc-braked carbon fibre road racing bike, and bicycle equivalent of a Ferrari: Colnago’s C59 Disc. Besides the addition of hydraulic disc brakes, it’s the same frame raced by France’s Thomas Voeckler in the Tour de France.
In contrast to the original film – which used a completely stock Pinarello Dogma 2 – Martyn felt that the riding demanded some choice modifications, chiefly in the brake department to boost power and control to allow him to be able to really push his riding. In order to do this, some choice modifications were made (see annotations). This all pushed the bike’s total value to £15,000 ($24,500) approx.
Despite the tough treatment that was handed out to the bike, the only mechanicals incurred throughout were – amazingly – punctures, and one brake line that pulled-out as a result of a crash."
Again, none of this had/has anything whatsoever to do with the alleged fragility/breakability of carbon fibre, nor to do with Martyn Ashton's accident. That alleged fragility and that connection was your original point; neither has any basis whatsoever in fact. Chris Akrigg and Danny MacAskill completed the second video; I doubt very much they would have done so had materials failure been a cause of that accident. There is no reporting on such a failure because such a failure did not occur.
03-08-14, 06:39 PM
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I simply don't understand why you keep this going; however:
1. Once again, how -- precisely -- is the sponsorship of Martyn Ashton's film(s) in any way relevant to the question of the alleged fragility/breakability of carbon fibre, or indeed to Martyn Ashton's accident?
2. Yes, the second bike (Colnago disc) was modified -- slightly; the first (a Pinarello) was not:
"This time, gone is the rim-braked Pinarello from Road Bike Party and in is the world’s first production disc-braked carbon fibre road racing bike, and bicycle equivalent of a Ferrari: Colnago’s C59 Disc. Besides the addition of hydraulic disc brakes, it’s the same frame raced by France’s Thomas Voeckler in the Tour de France.
In contrast to the original film – which used a completely stock Pinarello Dogma 2 – Martyn felt that the riding demanded some choice modifications, chiefly in the brake department to boost power and control to allow him to be able to really push his riding. In order to do this, some choice modifications were made (see annotations). This all pushed the bike’s total value to £15,000 ($24,500) approx.
Despite the tough treatment that was handed out to the bike, the only mechanicals incurred throughout were – amazingly – punctures, and one brake line that pulled-out as a result of a crash."
Again, none of this had/has anything whatsoever to do with the alleged fragility/breakability of carbon fibre, nor to do with Martyn Ashton's accident. That alleged fragility and that connection was your original point; neither has any basis whatsoever in fact. Chris Akrigg and Danny MacAskill completed the second video; I doubt very much they would have done so had materials failure been a cause of that accident. There is no reporting on such a failure because such a failure did not occur.
1. Once again, how -- precisely -- is the sponsorship of Martyn Ashton's film(s) in any way relevant to the question of the alleged fragility/breakability of carbon fibre, or indeed to Martyn Ashton's accident?
2. Yes, the second bike (Colnago disc) was modified -- slightly; the first (a Pinarello) was not:
"This time, gone is the rim-braked Pinarello from Road Bike Party and in is the world’s first production disc-braked carbon fibre road racing bike, and bicycle equivalent of a Ferrari: Colnago’s C59 Disc. Besides the addition of hydraulic disc brakes, it’s the same frame raced by France’s Thomas Voeckler in the Tour de France.
In contrast to the original film – which used a completely stock Pinarello Dogma 2 – Martyn felt that the riding demanded some choice modifications, chiefly in the brake department to boost power and control to allow him to be able to really push his riding. In order to do this, some choice modifications were made (see annotations). This all pushed the bike’s total value to £15,000 ($24,500) approx.
Despite the tough treatment that was handed out to the bike, the only mechanicals incurred throughout were – amazingly – punctures, and one brake line that pulled-out as a result of a crash."
Again, none of this had/has anything whatsoever to do with the alleged fragility/breakability of carbon fibre, nor to do with Martyn Ashton's accident. That alleged fragility and that connection was your original point; neither has any basis whatsoever in fact. Chris Akrigg and Danny MacAskill completed the second video; I doubt very much they would have done so had materials failure been a cause of that accident. There is no reporting on such a failure because such a failure did not occur.
03-08-14, 06:44 PM
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Dude,what are you talking about?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmJtYaUTa0
Please post a screen capture showing the disc brakes on that bike.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZmJtYaUTa0
Please post a screen capture showing the disc brakes on that bike.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
03-08-14, 06:55 PM
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However, the fact is that you asserted that carbon fibre was/is unusually fragile, prone to failure etc., and you asserted a link between that alleged fact (which is nonsense) and Martyn Ashton's accident.
You have not produced, and there is no evidence for, either assertion.
I'm done with this.
03-08-14, 07:02 PM
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I've no wish to engage in a protracted quarrel about this, and Dynaryder is perfectly capable of speaking for himself.
However, the fact is that you asserted that carbon fibre was/is unusually fragile, prone to failure etc., and you asserted a link between that alleged fact (which is nonsense) and Martyn Ashton's accident.
You have not produced, and there is no evidence for, either assertion.
I'm done with this.
However, the fact is that you asserted that carbon fibre was/is unusually fragile, prone to failure etc., and you asserted a link between that alleged fact (which is nonsense) and Martyn Ashton's accident.
You have not produced, and there is no evidence for, either assertion.
I'm done with this.
Proof of carbon fiber bicycle components being fragile, under many recalls and simply not ready as a safe cycling technology is ALL OVER THE NET. You want me to produce tens of links about that? Its much easier to trust all of the different online sources than one lopek77 guy...so, what's the problem?
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03-08-14, 07:37 PM
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So,,,,would you buy a Specialized Crosstrail Pro Disc for $1,980? 
03-09-14, 10:59 AM
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So,,,,would you buy a Specialized Crosstrail Pro Disc for $1,980?
03-09-14, 11:57 AM
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03-09-14, 12:03 PM
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Specialized brand dealer isnt around here anyhow , probably Trek has one with
all the same components , probably, crosses the Pacific in a different container, on the same ship.
all the same components , probably, crosses the Pacific in a different container, on the same ship.
03-09-14, 12:31 PM
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Every material can fail, but carbon fiber is most prone to fail. There was and will be many recalls of cf forks and other components...Its not a secret that cf is strong, but its also very fragile at the same time. I don't have many riding buddies with cf bikes, but all of them had catastrophic failure of their cf components. That includes seat rails, handlebars, fork and frame. And FYI, Martyn Ashton's video was a commercial stunt. His bike was also modified for him to be able to do all these stunt, and was worth around $24000... That price is just plain stupid, unless that bike was made from gold... Also, please don't forget that whatever you saw on that video was an excellent editing...they showed you whatever they wanted you to see...They also say that there was no failure of any of the components...Let's say we believe them.
03-09-14, 03:09 PM
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My original post:
My repost:
You apparently dug up another video and started going on about that. You're the one mixing things up.
Yeah,CF is sooo dangerous.
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And we're done here.
Thread closed.
Thread closed.
