How to make a road bike ride smoother?
#1
Junior Member
Thread Starter
How to make a road bike ride smoother?
Hi to everyone,
I just purchased a like new Specialized 10 speed road bike Allez Comp with Sram components for what I consider was a great buy. As some here know I was in the market for a Hybrid but once I looked this one over I had to have it. She's very fast and once it was set it up for me I found the ride is very comfy except for the 700x 23c are terrible on rough roads. Has anyone here ever installed 28c on this style of bike and will they fit? If so what make of tire so I'll know I buy the correct ones. I'm also considering just buying another set of rims to set up just for this and have my 23C as a secondary set but I'm not sure how to measure to get the correct width and correct cassette set up. I'm in no way racing just wanting to set it up for fitness and 20 to 30 mile rides weekend 5 to 10 miles weekdays without losing to much speed. Thanks any info would be appreciated.
I just purchased a like new Specialized 10 speed road bike Allez Comp with Sram components for what I consider was a great buy. As some here know I was in the market for a Hybrid but once I looked this one over I had to have it. She's very fast and once it was set it up for me I found the ride is very comfy except for the 700x 23c are terrible on rough roads. Has anyone here ever installed 28c on this style of bike and will they fit? If so what make of tire so I'll know I buy the correct ones. I'm also considering just buying another set of rims to set up just for this and have my 23C as a secondary set but I'm not sure how to measure to get the correct width and correct cassette set up. I'm in no way racing just wanting to set it up for fitness and 20 to 30 mile rides weekend 5 to 10 miles weekdays without losing to much speed. Thanks any info would be appreciated.
#2
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: Menomonee Falls, WI
Posts: 1,832
Bikes: 1984 Schwinn Supersport, 1988 Trek 400T, 1977 Trek TX900, 1982 Bianchi Champione del Mondo, 1978 Raleigh Supercourse, 1986 Trek 400 Elance, 1991 Waterford PDG OS Paramount, 1971 Schwinn Sports Tourer, 1985 Trek 670
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 603 Post(s)
Liked 1,062 Times
in
534 Posts
Can’t help you on which size tires fit your particular bike. However, as a lot of the roads here in Wisconsin really suck, ditching the 23s, and going with 28s, along with reducing tire pressures a bit, really smoothed out the ride for me.
Tim
Tim
Likes For tkamd73:
#3
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Thanks for the info I believe you’re correct so 28 s is the way I’m going if possible. Thanks
#4
Señor Member
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 5,066
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 649 Post(s)
Liked 292 Times
in
215 Posts
Even if 28s don't fit, 25s almost certainly will. And some tires, even decent supple-casing tires, are available in 26mm, which also will probably fit.
For example:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop....php?id=100480
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=96677
For example:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop....php?id=100480
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...s.php?id=96677
Likes For Wilfred Laurier:
#5
Newbie racer
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 3,406
Bikes: Propel, red is faster
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1575 Post(s)
Liked 1,569 Times
in
974 Posts
Depends on model and rim width. A GP5000 on a wide rim is a lot more true to size than a GP4000 on a narrow rim. Almost an entire size difference for the same size tire.
Also, don't forget the F/R ratio of pressure isn't equal. You can run a couple psi less up front since the weight balance isn't 50/50.
Also, don't forget the F/R ratio of pressure isn't equal. You can run a couple psi less up front since the weight balance isn't 50/50.
Likes For burnthesheep:
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 2,598
Bikes: 06 Lemond Reno, 98 GT Timberline mtn.bike
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 426 Post(s)
Liked 695 Times
in
434 Posts
Might be due for a change of tires, or maybe just tire pressure. Here's an informative article: https://www.roadbikerider.com/the-ti...-jan-heine-d1/
Likes For freeranger:
#7
Veteran, Pacifist
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Seattle area
Posts: 13,325
Bikes: Bikes??? Thought this was social media?!?
Mentioned: 284 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3896 Post(s)
Liked 4,822 Times
in
2,226 Posts
Mentioned above, but worth emphasizing = buy the better tires with supple sidewalls.
A supple 25mm should ride softer than a tough/high mileage 28.
I can recommend Vittoria G+ with latex tubes, and VeloFlex tubulars, if going with a 2nd wheelset.
a light tinytim deserves light wheels for 30mile fl flat fly rides.
A supple 25mm should ride softer than a tough/high mileage 28.
I can recommend Vittoria G+ with latex tubes, and VeloFlex tubulars, if going with a 2nd wheelset.
a light tinytim deserves light wheels for 30mile fl flat fly rides.
__________________
Vintage, modern, e-road. It is a big cycling universe.
Vintage, modern, e-road. It is a big cycling universe.
#8
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 659
Bikes: Norco search xr
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 198 Post(s)
Liked 146 Times
in
90 Posts
One of my bikes will only fit a 25mm up front and a 28mm in the rear. I went with tubeless Continental 5000 tires and they are smoother than non-tubless. Highly recommend. They will definitely help.
Likes For Gconan:
#9
Rouleur
This gets deep into myth, lore, and unbridled vicious opinion! Likely you have standard (15-16mm) rims, so going with a 25mm tire should go a long way towards smoothing out your ride. If you were able to find a decent priced wheelset with wide rims (20mm) - you'd find that a 25mm tire would have outstanding road feel. A 28mm tire would certainly be cushy, but there is the possibility of too much sidewall flex. Tire quality in that case would be very important.
Likes For tgenec86:
#10
Senior Member
Have a custom steel road bike, very comfortable.
when it was built, I had specified 25 mm Conti 4 season tires.
some how I ended up with 23 mm tires, builder foul up.
bike was comfortable, I rode the 23s for a while.
then I ruined the rear tire, made sure it was replaced with 25 mm.
ride on some dirt roads, improved comfort and feel.
soon the front 23 was worn, replaced it with a 25- dirt roads continued to improve,
no loss of handling on pavement - speed no difference.
finally the rear 25 needed replacement, the shop did not have a 25 - but had
a 23 and 28 mm. Didn't want the 23, was not sure the 28 would fit.
by loosening the brake, I could get the 28 on.
been riding the F-25 and R-28 now for a couple years - for me a optimum balance of
comfort and performance. Plus the combo wears better.
when it was built, I had specified 25 mm Conti 4 season tires.
some how I ended up with 23 mm tires, builder foul up.
bike was comfortable, I rode the 23s for a while.
then I ruined the rear tire, made sure it was replaced with 25 mm.
ride on some dirt roads, improved comfort and feel.
soon the front 23 was worn, replaced it with a 25- dirt roads continued to improve,
no loss of handling on pavement - speed no difference.
finally the rear 25 needed replacement, the shop did not have a 25 - but had
a 23 and 28 mm. Didn't want the 23, was not sure the 28 would fit.
by loosening the brake, I could get the 28 on.
been riding the F-25 and R-28 now for a couple years - for me a optimum balance of
comfort and performance. Plus the combo wears better.
Likes For mikemikes:
#12
Senior Member
Some other easy ways of softening your ride:
- Put on some of the more padded bar tape, like the gel type.
- Try out a bike with more "compliant" handlebars, if you like the feel put those bars on your bike.
- Try a suspension seat post.
- Try out different bike seats - many bike shops will give you a loaner to try.
Likes For jpescatore:
#13
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Have a custom steel road bike, very comfortable.
when it was built, I had specified 25 mm Conti 4 season tires.
some how I ended up with 23 mm tires, builder foul up.
bike was comfortable, I rode the 23s for a while.
then I ruined the rear tire, made sure it was replaced with 25 mm.
ride on some dirt roads, improved comfort and feel.
soon the front 23 was worn, replaced it with a 25- dirt roads continued to improve,
no loss of handling on pavement - speed no difference.
finally the rear 25 needed replacement, the shop did not have a 25 - but had
a 23 and 28 mm. Didn't want the 23, was not sure the 28 would fit.
by loosening the brake, I could get the 28 on.
been riding the F-25 and R-28 now for a couple years - for me a optimum balance of
comfort and performance. Plus the combo wears better.
when it was built, I had specified 25 mm Conti 4 season tires.
some how I ended up with 23 mm tires, builder foul up.
bike was comfortable, I rode the 23s for a while.
then I ruined the rear tire, made sure it was replaced with 25 mm.
ride on some dirt roads, improved comfort and feel.
soon the front 23 was worn, replaced it with a 25- dirt roads continued to improve,
no loss of handling on pavement - speed no difference.
finally the rear 25 needed replacement, the shop did not have a 25 - but had
a 23 and 28 mm. Didn't want the 23, was not sure the 28 would fit.
by loosening the brake, I could get the 28 on.
been riding the F-25 and R-28 now for a couple years - for me a optimum balance of
comfort and performance. Plus the combo wears better.
#14
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Some other easy ways of softening your ride:
- Put on some of the more padded bar tape, like the gel type.
- Try out a bike with more "compliant" handlebars, if you like the feel put those bars on your bike.
- Try a suspension seat post.
- Try out different bike seats - many bike shops will give you a loaner to try.
#15
QR-disc must die!!!
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Shenandoah Valley, Northern Virginia.
Posts: 703
Bikes: '99 Trek 520, '20 Kona Sutra (FOR SALE 48cm), '21 Simon-Bikes mini-velo and a chromoly-framed folding bicycle with drop-bars and V-brakes, that rolls even while folded.
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 397 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 199 Times
in
147 Posts
After moving from 32mm Conti TopTouring to 35mm Schwalbe Marathons, I'm convinced. Now I want an entirely new road bike that allows for fenders and 47mm WTB Horizon tires.
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 2,249
Bikes: 1964 Legnano Roma Olympiade, 1973 Raleigh Super Course, 1978 Raleigh Super Course, 1978 Peugeot PR10, 2002 Specialized Allez, 2007 Specialized Roubaix, 2013 Culprit Croz Blade
Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 741 Post(s)
Liked 818 Times
in
421 Posts
I have a 2002 Allez, that replaced a steel frame Bianchi that got killed by a car. Going from the Bianchi to the aluminum Allez really rattled my teeth. My Allez had a aluminum fork, which I changed to an Easton carbon, which made a huge difference. Later I went to 25c Gatorskins, not the smoothest riding tire, but now the ride is acceptable. The geometry on my bike makes the seat tube and FD clamp very close to the 25c tire circumference. I don't have any other clearance issues. Mine are on stock Alex A22 rims. I also changed the handlebar to a Roubaix type with the Zertz insert, and used Roubaix type gel pads under the tape. I have 28c Gatorskins and Paselas on vintage bikes, but my smoothest riding vintage steel bike has some old used 25c Gatorskins. Don't be afraid to exeriment. I don't know how different the frame geometry on a new Allez is, and Im sure you already have a carbon fork. Give the 25s a try.
My 2002 Allez with 25c Gators.
My 2002 Allez with 25c Gators.
Last edited by Slightspeed; 12-04-19 at 05:20 PM.
Likes For Slightspeed:
#17
Senior Member
What year/fork/frame material on your Allez Comp?
You dont mention the year or fork/frame material of your Allez Comp.
Owners of the same model/year/frame/bike could give you *much* better feedback if you share that data.
I own a 2011 Allez Elite carbon fork/ aluminum frame.
_________________
Some ideas, in order of increasing expense:
Lower Tire Pressures, under 85 or 90, especially in front.
Some Gel bar tape, possibly double-wrapped or with pads under the tape. ( I prefer a firmer grip and feel, so not for me...).
Tires: 25 to 28(25s fit on my 2011 Allez Elite, but they measure almost 27)
Carbon Handlebars
A more modern Wheelset with a wider internal width...others can elaborate on how this effects 23/25/28 tires' size/shapes/profiles/overall circumfrences, and what internal widths to shop for...
Owners of the same model/year/frame/bike could give you *much* better feedback if you share that data.
I own a 2011 Allez Elite carbon fork/ aluminum frame.
_________________
Some ideas, in order of increasing expense:
Lower Tire Pressures, under 85 or 90, especially in front.
Some Gel bar tape, possibly double-wrapped or with pads under the tape. ( I prefer a firmer grip and feel, so not for me...).
Tires: 25 to 28(25s fit on my 2011 Allez Elite, but they measure almost 27)
Carbon Handlebars
A more modern Wheelset with a wider internal width...others can elaborate on how this effects 23/25/28 tires' size/shapes/profiles/overall circumfrences, and what internal widths to shop for...
Last edited by chainwhip; 12-06-19 at 09:35 AM.
#18
Should Be More Popular
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,027
Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix
Mentioned: 560 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22571 Post(s)
Liked 8,918 Times
in
4,152 Posts
#19
SE Wis
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 10,493
Bikes: '68 Raleigh Sprite, '02 Raleigh C500, '84 Raleigh Gran Prix, '91 Trek 400, 2013 Novara Randonee, 1990 Trek 970
Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2740 Post(s)
Liked 3,385 Times
in
2,048 Posts
Change your route
#20
Junior Member
Thread Starter
You dont mention the year or fork/frame material of your Allez Comp.
Owners of the same model/year/frame/bike could give you *much* better feedback if you share that data.
I own a 2011 Allez Elite carbon fork/ aluminum frame.
_________________
Some ideas, in order of increasing expense:
Lower Tire Pressures, under 85 or 90, especially in front.
Some Gel bar tape, possibly double-wrapped or with pads under the tape. ( I prefer a firmer grip and feel, so not for me...).
Tires: 25 to 28(25s fit on my 2011 Allez Elite, but they measure almost 27)
Carbon Handlebarstires,
A more modern Wheelset with a wider internal width...others can elaborate on how this effects 23/25/28 size shapes/profiles/overall circumfrences, and what internal widths to shop for...
Owners of the same model/year/frame/bike could give you *much* better feedback if you share that data.
I own a 2011 Allez Elite carbon fork/ aluminum frame.
_________________
Some ideas, in order of increasing expense:
Lower Tire Pressures, under 85 or 90, especially in front.
Some Gel bar tape, possibly double-wrapped or with pads under the tape. ( I prefer a firmer grip and feel, so not for me...).
Tires: 25 to 28(25s fit on my 2011 Allez Elite, but they measure almost 27)
Carbon Handlebarstires,
A more modern Wheelset with a wider internal width...others can elaborate on how this effects 23/25/28 size shapes/profiles/overall circumfrences, and what internal widths to shop for...
#21
Tragically Ignorant
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 15,613
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8186 Post(s)
Liked 9,095 Times
in
5,053 Posts
I'm surprised when I see 23 mm these days. I know LBS that don't even carry them anymore, I really think there's no point going smaller than 25.
If you're looking for durable tires in the future, I find the Schwalbe Marathons and the Conti GP 4000 are both more comfortable than the Gatorskins, and about as durable.
If you're looking for durable tires in the future, I find the Schwalbe Marathons and the Conti GP 4000 are both more comfortable than the Gatorskins, and about as durable.
Likes For livedarklions:
#22
Very Slow Rider
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: E Wa
Posts: 1,274
Bikes: Jones Plus LWB, 1983 Centurion Japanese CrMo bike
Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 500 Post(s)
Liked 132 Times
in
101 Posts
Looks like you got some good replies here. Running 700x43C tires on my Cyclocommuter and not looking back.
Likes For davei1980:
#23
Junior Member
Thread Starter
I'm surprised when I see 23 mm these days. I know LBS that don't even carry them anymore, I really think there's no point going smaller than 25.
If you're looking for durable tires in the future, I find the Schwalbe Marathons and the Conti GP 4000 are both more comfortable than the Gatorskins, and about as durable.
If you're looking for durable tires in the future, I find the Schwalbe Marathons and the Conti GP 4000 are both more comfortable than the Gatorskins, and about as durable.
#24
QR-disc must die!!!
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Shenandoah Valley, Northern Virginia.
Posts: 703
Bikes: '99 Trek 520, '20 Kona Sutra (FOR SALE 48cm), '21 Simon-Bikes mini-velo and a chromoly-framed folding bicycle with drop-bars and V-brakes, that rolls even while folded.
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 397 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 199 Times
in
147 Posts
This article gives some info about GP4000S in its various sizes. Other articles on the site might helpful as well.
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...0s-ii-23-25-28
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance...0s-ii-23-25-28
#25
Tragically Ignorant
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: New England
Posts: 15,613
Bikes: Serotta Atlanta; 1994 Specialized Allez Pro; Giant OCR A1; SOMA Double Cross Disc; 2022 Allez Elite mit der SRAM
Mentioned: 62 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8186 Post(s)
Liked 9,095 Times
in
5,053 Posts