My 1st Japanese bike!!!
03-28-24, 11:09 PM
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Congrats on the bike!
If you decide to bring back a bottle of sake . . .
Highly recommend, if you can find it, Kikuhime Daiginjo from Hakusan in Kanazawa Prefecture.
It is considered to be at the same level for sake as San Rensho is for bike frames and priced accordingly.
If you decide to bring back a bottle of sake . . .
Highly recommend, if you can find it, Kikuhime Daiginjo from Hakusan in Kanazawa Prefecture.
It is considered to be at the same level for sake as San Rensho is for bike frames and priced accordingly.
So, free for Rob?
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congratulations on a nice 3rensho
03-29-24, 05:45 AM
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03-29-24, 09:05 AM
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Personally, I think bringing an Eroica-compliant 3Rensho back "home" to Eroica Japan in order to honor the craftsmanship of it's creators would be completely apropos. Were I lucky enough to own one in my size and found it a good ride, that's what I'd do if I were attending Eroica Japan.
In either case: enjoy the trip.
03-29-24, 11:10 AM
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I just need to swap out the 3ttt stuff for a Superbe stem and Nitto bars. And a kickstand.
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03-29-24, 11:37 AM
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In my experience, fly ANA if you want to take your bike.
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congratulations!
...and a fine candidate for a Guines she be...
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congratulations!
...and a fine candidate for a Guines she be...
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03-29-24, 01:19 PM
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This is an example of sometimes puzzling and/or humorous “Janglish” seen on Japanese products back in the day. Maybe this bike suffers from a split personality or identity crisis. The first three Kanji characters, “Jitensha” translate as “Bicycle”. The following Katakana are phonetically “Kyanpingu kah” or “Camping Car”.
Who made this Bicycle Camping Car?!
Who made this Bicycle Camping Car?!
03-29-24, 01:39 PM
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Beautiful 3Rensho and Superbe Pro!
It's very hard to find this level of 3Rensho in Japan.
Congrats!
I guess you all know what 3Rensho means.
3 straight wins.
Yoshi Konno made many Keirin bikes.
Keirin is made up of 3 races: preliminary heat, semifinal, and final.
Yoshi wished Keirin cyclists, 3 rensho, 3 straight wins with his bikes.
It's very hard to find this level of 3Rensho in Japan.
Congrats!
I guess you all know what 3Rensho means.
3 straight wins.
Yoshi Konno made many Keirin bikes.
Keirin is made up of 3 races: preliminary heat, semifinal, and final.
Yoshi wished Keirin cyclists, 3 rensho, 3 straight wins with his bikes.
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03-29-24, 02:06 PM
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A decent fallback might be a late 70s/early 80s Dia Compe Gran Compe. There appear to be at least a couple of those listed also, and they're stateside. Same is true for the Kusuki Medallion.
However, both were made in both 0.833" and 22.2mm insert as well as with 25.4mm and 26.0mm bar clamp diameters. The listings aren't always clear regarding insert and clamp diameters for the item on sale.
03-29-24, 02:41 PM
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Handsome bike! Congratulations.
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There are a small number of Suntour Superbe stems listed on "that auction site". But they're all pretty pricey - and all in east Asia.
A decent fallback might be a late 70s/early 80s Dia Compe Gran Compe. There appear to be at least a couple of those listed also, and they're stateside. Same is true for the Kusuki Medallion.
However, both were made in both 0.833" and 22.2mm insert as well as with 25.4mm and 26.0mm bar clamp diameters. The listings aren't always clear regarding insert and clamp diameters for the item on sale.
A decent fallback might be a late 70s/early 80s Dia Compe Gran Compe. There appear to be at least a couple of those listed also, and they're stateside. Same is true for the Kusuki Medallion.
However, both were made in both 0.833" and 22.2mm insert as well as with 25.4mm and 26.0mm bar clamp diameters. The listings aren't always clear regarding insert and clamp diameters for the item on sale.
03-29-24, 05:05 PM
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I also found floating under my car’s rear seat, a Kashimax saddle that might be more appropriate
current saddle will be for sale shortly, cheap.
current saddle will be for sale shortly, cheap.
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03-29-24, 09:08 PM
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Decisions Decisions...
A British bike in a French?
A Russian bike in a Ukrainian?
A coal black French bike in a Newcastle Eroica?
However, if you're looking to fetch top dollar for your De Rosa, by all means take it to Japan.
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03-30-24, 09:19 AM
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I will not sell the DeRosa. beyond that, nothing is sacred.
All I know is when looking for an unusual part, say a Colnago pantographed swap post, the average ebay price in America and Europe might be $165-185. Then a couple will be in the $400-500 range. Always in Japan.
I sold some NOS Deltas at Cambria, it paid for the whole trip. I might be nice to unload a thing or two over there to pay for this trip, or at least reduce the sting.
All I know is when looking for an unusual part, say a Colnago pantographed swap post, the average ebay price in America and Europe might be $165-185. Then a couple will be in the $400-500 range. Always in Japan.
I sold some NOS Deltas at Cambria, it paid for the whole trip. I might be nice to unload a thing or two over there to pay for this trip, or at least reduce the sting.
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03-30-24, 12:09 PM
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I’ve seen many vintage touring bikes described as “camping car(s)” on Yahoo Japan auctions. I think it’s a generalized term for a touring bike.
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[QUOTE=machinist42;23199786]Would you ride a Japanese bike in an Italian Eroica?
A British bike in a French?
A Russian bike in a Ukrainian?
A coal black French bike in a Newcastle Eroica?
OK, As an American who has been to my share of bike shows…..Schwinn bores me. I've seen them.
If I go to a car show, the last thing I'm going to look at is another Mustang (yawn)
But if you have some VW Puma or other car not seen around these parts, I'm going to be all over it, looking at the lines, seeing how it differs from what was available here, Etc.
I'm sure there will be a lot of high end Japanese bikes. Lots of Colnago (they have a presence there).
Ride Impression:
Yesterday was a perfect riding day. I went out for a 40ish mile loop to Lake Oswego (Lakeside Bikes) and back.
This is the description from their brochure on the Super Record Export….
"The frame is designed for road and
criterium riding
with short,
responsive geometry yet our
SR model is noted for
exceptional stability at speed and excellent cornering response. Ishiwata tubes
allow correct strength and weight characteristics for each frame
size and the
oval (not dented) chainstays
provide maximum lateral stiffness."
So….
Components: Suntour Superbe. I hear the RD is designed to move up and down with the rear cog giving better shifting. I dunno. I'm used to Campy and didn't notice a difference.
I did note I had to tighten the thumb twists on the down tube so both front and rear would stay in the selected gear. Annoyed. But, to be fair, I've had to do that with campy in the past as well.
I swapped out the saddle for Kashimax. The shape and cushion is similar to the ROLLS I'm used to. But, I question the use of suede on a saddle. If someone can explain the benefit, I'd love to hear it. Seems like a recipe for chafing.
Benotto tape. WHY!!!??? Other than shiny color, I see no advantage over gloves and bare metal.
Araya aero rims. Hmmm. There is very little wear on them, they are true and no dents. Yet where the seam is, there is a slight bulge which causes a whomp whomp whomp when braking. I handed them to Brea, founder of Hi-Fi Wheels and now at Lakeside. She said there is very little that can be done about them, which is a shame since they are hard to come by, especially polished. Trying to reshape that area is next to impossible.
The frame. OK, so I know the story, how after the 1964 Tokyo Olympics he dismantled some cinellis, reverse engineered them and started 3Rensho. How very Japanese.
It is a nice ride. My early 70's Colnagos, I feel unsafe removing a hand to perform a "cowboy blow" in fear I'll veer far. Derosa, a little more stable. I can have a hand off the bars for a long period of time. Cinelli, the geometry seems more relaxed. I can remove both hands from the bars, root around in my rear pockets for a handkerchief, blow nose with one hand and check my phone for messages with the other.
The 3Rensho frame feels like that. I could dive around corners of the Terwilliger trail, but I could also turn my body to look behind without fear of veering into a ravine. Racing downhill through the Riverside Cemetery, (part storage, part official bike route) the bike cornered beautifully without flaw which was nice considering I did not want to touch the brakes.
If only it wasn't blue.
A British bike in a French?
A Russian bike in a Ukrainian?
A coal black French bike in a Newcastle Eroica?
OK, As an American who has been to my share of bike shows…..Schwinn bores me. I've seen them.
If I go to a car show, the last thing I'm going to look at is another Mustang (yawn)
But if you have some VW Puma or other car not seen around these parts, I'm going to be all over it, looking at the lines, seeing how it differs from what was available here, Etc.
I'm sure there will be a lot of high end Japanese bikes. Lots of Colnago (they have a presence there).
Ride Impression:
Yesterday was a perfect riding day. I went out for a 40ish mile loop to Lake Oswego (Lakeside Bikes) and back.
This is the description from their brochure on the Super Record Export….
"The frame is designed for road and
criterium riding
with short,
responsive geometry yet our
SR model is noted for
exceptional stability at speed and excellent cornering response. Ishiwata tubes
allow correct strength and weight characteristics for each frame
size and the
oval (not dented) chainstays
provide maximum lateral stiffness."
So….
Components: Suntour Superbe. I hear the RD is designed to move up and down with the rear cog giving better shifting. I dunno. I'm used to Campy and didn't notice a difference.
I did note I had to tighten the thumb twists on the down tube so both front and rear would stay in the selected gear. Annoyed. But, to be fair, I've had to do that with campy in the past as well.
I swapped out the saddle for Kashimax. The shape and cushion is similar to the ROLLS I'm used to. But, I question the use of suede on a saddle. If someone can explain the benefit, I'd love to hear it. Seems like a recipe for chafing.
Benotto tape. WHY!!!??? Other than shiny color, I see no advantage over gloves and bare metal.
Araya aero rims. Hmmm. There is very little wear on them, they are true and no dents. Yet where the seam is, there is a slight bulge which causes a whomp whomp whomp when braking. I handed them to Brea, founder of Hi-Fi Wheels and now at Lakeside. She said there is very little that can be done about them, which is a shame since they are hard to come by, especially polished. Trying to reshape that area is next to impossible.
The frame. OK, so I know the story, how after the 1964 Tokyo Olympics he dismantled some cinellis, reverse engineered them and started 3Rensho. How very Japanese.
It is a nice ride. My early 70's Colnagos, I feel unsafe removing a hand to perform a "cowboy blow" in fear I'll veer far. Derosa, a little more stable. I can have a hand off the bars for a long period of time. Cinelli, the geometry seems more relaxed. I can remove both hands from the bars, root around in my rear pockets for a handkerchief, blow nose with one hand and check my phone for messages with the other.
The 3Rensho frame feels like that. I could dive around corners of the Terwilliger trail, but I could also turn my body to look behind without fear of veering into a ravine. Racing downhill through the Riverside Cemetery, (part storage, part official bike route) the bike cornered beautifully without flaw which was nice considering I did not want to touch the brakes.
If only it wasn't blue.
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Great bike, and a better friend.
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