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Riding through the "ghetto"

Old 10-21-10, 07:32 AM
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For most of my experience, as a bicyclist you are beneath their notice. But if your situation makes you nervous, find another route.
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Old 10-21-10, 02:36 PM
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Ride around if you're nervous, but it's always a good idea to give any batch of pedestrians a wide berth; people on foot often miss bikes.

The other thing I'd make sure to do is to be very confident in your bike's physical shape. Give it a weekly once-over if you don't already, and have some tire liners or something so you aren't stuck dealing with a flat tire in a lousy area.
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Old 10-21-10, 04:33 PM
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I foolishly rode through East St. Louis, IL several months ago with a riding partner. Our normal route was flooded out by the Mississippi (nice levee trail), and we made a wrong turn trying to hook up with a highway to go around ESTL. It was about 10AM on a Saturday morning. While nothing bad happened, we were stared down like crazy, riding our nice road bikes and spandex - not somewhere I want to ride again.
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Old 10-25-10, 09:35 AM
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Carrying a gun doesn't mean I have to use the gun in every situation. I need not be like a man with only a hammer, looking about for nails to pound.

Carrying a gun doesn't mean I can't use pepper spray; carrying a gun doesn't mean I can't use a knife (just as lethal, but might be better in certain situations); carrying a gun doesn't mean I can't use fists, elbows, knees, etc; carrying a gun doesn't mean I can't run, ride, or otherwise attempt to get away; carrying a gun doesn't mean I can't submit to the criminal and give them what they demand.

What carrying a gun does do is give me another option. Coleen, who carries both pepper spray and tasers, has many more self-defense options available to her than the average person. She has multiple units of each type, and while she hasn't specifically said so, I would bet that she carries them in various places about her, so she can get hold of one in just about any situation - seated, on her back, one arm pinned, etc... She's clearly thought about the pros and cons of her varied defense tools, and what she'd likely do in various 'what-if' situations. That mental process alone is invaluable, because if she gets into a bad situation, she will have to spend less time deciding and more time acting.

Carrying a firearm, knife, or other, less-lethal weapon isn't for everybody. If somebody is freaked out about the idea of carrying guns, that's fine - they shouldn't carry one. Lucile, for example, clearly is uncomfortable with guns; I'd not ask her to carry one any more than I'd ask somebody afraid of dogs to get a German Shepherd.

If somebody isn't trained, and doesn't feel comfortable carrying one without proper training, then they should either remedy their lack of training or choose not to carry. Tjspiel, as another example, might fall into this category. Clearly he's concerned about levels of training, so perhaps, if he were interested in carrying, he should look at signing up for some self-defense classes (both armed and unarmed), weapons retention training (keeping your gun when somebody else is trying to take it), and following it up by joining a local IDPA group to run active-fire 'what-if' courses.

As a gun-owner who carries one every day, I can say with assurance that I have taken such training, that I regularly go through the thought-processes that Coleen clearly has, and that, more important, I realize something that those who don't carry guns don't think about:
ANY fight I get into is a gun fight. Whether I choose to use my gun or not, it's presence means I must keep it under my control. If somebody attempts to take it, I must be willing to use force, deadly force if necessary, to stop him. As such, I find myself much more polite than I used to be. I don't get mad when somebody cuts me off in a car. I am willing to eat crow, swallow my pride, and let my feelings get hurt if it means it can avoid a fight. What's the point in fighting over hurt pride? That question may have a much different answer when you know the potential consequences can be a life lost.
Lastly, a gun isn't a magic remote control device for people; you don't point it at somebody, issue commands, and expect them to follow them. That is to say, you only draw if your intent is to immediately shoot to stop the immediate threat of death or grievous bodily harm; you don't draw or reveal your gun to threaten somebody; you don't shoot warning shots; you don't shoot to maim or injure; you don't shoot for such crazy-hard-to-hit locations like weapons, legs, arms, etc...; you don't even shoot to kill; you shoot to stop the threat. It's unfortunate that that the most effective way to rapidly stop an attacker threatening you happens to be very unhealthy for the attacker.
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Old 10-25-10, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SactoDoug View Post
I'm sure your "ghetto" in Seattle is the same as ours in California. Having to ride through a low income Seattle neighborhood where the hippies live is the same as the crack and meth filled neighborhoods in my part of the country.

What is the scariest incident that you have ever witness or been a part of in Seattle?
I knew you were ******** when I read your earlier posts, but this really highlights your ignorance. If you think the bad neighborhoods in Seattle are just low income hippies I suggest you do some research. There are still bad neighborhoods complete with violent crime and gang activity. Hell Pioneer Square and the International District are great during the day, but probably not the best places to be biking alone after dark, and those aren't even the real "hoods."
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