It's no wonder car drivers hate cyclist !!
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It's no wonder car drivers hate cyclist !!
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Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
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I personally do NOT choose to ride like the folks in that video, but I don't really get worked up about other cyclists' bad behavior.
Since most motorists are quite tolerant of their own speeding in residential neighborhoods, making illegal turns, driving while distracted, running red lights, aggressive driving, etc. etc. I think "bad" cyclists make up an insignificant number of road users that are likely to harm or kill others.
Since most motorists are quite tolerant of their own speeding in residential neighborhoods, making illegal turns, driving while distracted, running red lights, aggressive driving, etc. etc. I think "bad" cyclists make up an insignificant number of road users that are likely to harm or kill others.
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Adrenaline junkies.
Most motorists have never encountered cyclists displaying that kind of behavior.
Most motorists have never encountered cyclists displaying that kind of behavior.
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I personally do NOT choose to ride like the folks in that video, but I don't really get worked up about other cyclists' bad behavior.
Since most motorists are quite tolerant of their own speeding in residential neighborhoods, making illegal turns, driving while distracted, running red lights, aggressive driving, etc. etc. I think "bad" cyclists make up an insignificant number of road users that are likely to harm or kill others.
Since most motorists are quite tolerant of their own speeding in residential neighborhoods, making illegal turns, driving while distracted, running red lights, aggressive driving, etc. etc. I think "bad" cyclists make up an insignificant number of road users that are likely to harm or kill others.
I wonder how many crashes these guys have caused or how many cars they have dinged or scratched trying to squeeze through spaces like that. I don't get worked up over seeing stuff like that, but I also wouldn't feel bad if one of those drivers accidentally side swiped one of them.
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I've never personally been ok with drivers that drive dangerously. People aren't ok with drivers speeding through their neighborhood and I can't personally say I ever see people intentionally putting other people in danger.
I wonder how many crashes these guys have caused or how many cars they have dinged or scratched trying to squeeze through spaces like that. I don't get worked up over seeing stuff like that, but I also wouldn't feel bad if one of those drivers accidentally side swiped one of them.
I wonder how many crashes these guys have caused or how many cars they have dinged or scratched trying to squeeze through spaces like that. I don't get worked up over seeing stuff like that, but I also wouldn't feel bad if one of those drivers accidentally side swiped one of them.
This doesn't touch the numerous other offenses drivers perform on a daily basis, but fail to mention when writing to the Washington Post or Times.
You're right, not all motorists feel this way. Just some.
So, when someone points out something that could potentially lead to a "cyclists break laws!!" rant it's helpful to remind them how much of a ****ing joke it is.
End rant -- hijack. Apologies. Continue -
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Couldn't do what those guys do.
In my town, too -- some parts of it -- these guys would get shot...............at. Elusive moving target+poor shooter=random shooting, not rare here.
Somebody DRIVES that recklessly, they just get a little under-the-breath cussing, and other drivers go on. A bike rider does it, though, and they're chartering buses to the state capital to picket the General Assembly.
In my town, too -- some parts of it -- these guys would get shot...............at. Elusive moving target+poor shooter=random shooting, not rare here.
Somebody DRIVES that recklessly, they just get a little under-the-breath cussing, and other drivers go on. A bike rider does it, though, and they're chartering buses to the state capital to picket the General Assembly.
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This can be resolved with a simple thought experiment -- if bicyclists did religiously obey the rules of the road at all times, would they be much less hated by the cagers?
The answer is, no, of course not. They hate us for our freedom.
The answer is, no, of course not. They hate us for our freedom.
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I know you're joking, but I can't most of my friends to get on a bicycle and pedal from one place to another for commuting purposes. That **** is hard. And slow. It's the antithesis of the American way: instant gratification.
People who think bikes are in the way either think that because a) they are or b) they don't understand their own relationship with cyclists while on the road. I don't think it's an either/or thing... sometimes cyclists are in the way, and sometimes the driver is ignorant.
People who think bikes are in the way either think that because a) they are or b) they don't understand their own relationship with cyclists while on the road. I don't think it's an either/or thing... sometimes cyclists are in the way, and sometimes the driver is ignorant.
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Reminds me of this quote that I found...
"The world lies right beyond the handlebars of any bicycle that I happen to be on anywhere from New York Bay to the Vallee de Chevreuse. Anywhere is high adventure, the walls come down, the cyclist is a loner, it is the only way for him to meet other loners. And it works. One seldom exchanges anything but curses or names of insurance companies with another driver, the car inhibits human contacts. The bicycle generates them; bikes talk to each other like dogs, they wag their wheels and tinkle their bells, the riders let their mounts mingle."
-Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles, Chapter 6
"The world lies right beyond the handlebars of any bicycle that I happen to be on anywhere from New York Bay to the Vallee de Chevreuse. Anywhere is high adventure, the walls come down, the cyclist is a loner, it is the only way for him to meet other loners. And it works. One seldom exchanges anything but curses or names of insurance companies with another driver, the car inhibits human contacts. The bicycle generates them; bikes talk to each other like dogs, they wag their wheels and tinkle their bells, the riders let their mounts mingle."
-Daniel Behrman, The Man Who Loved Bicycles, Chapter 6
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I agree that cyclists can make all manner of terrible errors, but that's not why we're hated. We are hated because we are happy and exercising and can find parking and aren't spending an infinite amount of money.
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Wrong on both counts. They would indeed hate us less if we didn't have clods behaving badly like this in our midst.
And nice use of a Bushism on your second fallacy. They hate us for our freedom... what, are they the Axis of Evildoers now, Mr Ex-President?
The real reason they hate us is because they are obeying the rules of society (giving up some of their freedom, for the sake of not impinging on our freedom), and some of us simply do not.
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The real reason they hate us is because they are obeying the rules of society (giving up some of their freedom, for the sake of not impinging on our freedom), and some of us simply do not.
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Driving exposes a persons level of incompetence!
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I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
Originally Posted by krazygluon
Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
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You are silly if you think riding a bike somehow gives you more freedom than driving a car. Delusional, actually. You are restricted by speed, range, weather conditions, and comfort. You have to obey all the same traffic laws so what exactly is so freeing about riding a bicycle that is more "freeing" than driving a car?
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Been there. Done that. Now I've calmed down.
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You are silly if you think riding a bike somehow gives you more freedom than driving a car. Delusional, actually. You are restricted by speed, range, weather conditions, and comfort. You have to obey all the same traffic laws so what exactly is so freeing about riding a bicycle that is more "freeing" than driving a car?
I don't really care.
Just like we have our own ideas about why drivers are sometimes annoyed by cyclists, and vice-versa.
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I think both sides are subjective -- that's all. Both can be freeing, and both can be restraining. I absolutely hate driving in DC traffic, so to "me" it's better to ride a bicycle. Other people may not agree.
I don't really care.
Just like we have our own ideas about why drivers are sometimes annoyed by cyclists, and vice-versa.
I don't really care.
Just like we have our own ideas about why drivers are sometimes annoyed by cyclists, and vice-versa.
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You are silly if you think riding a bike somehow gives you more freedom than driving a car. Delusional, actually. You are restricted by speed, range, weather conditions, and comfort. You have to obey all the same traffic laws so what exactly is so freeing about riding a bicycle that is more "freeing" than driving a car?
I absolutely agree with you and I get a little frustrated when I see riders like those in the video, (and also especially the sportbike-motorcycle "stuntah" videos) who find elation in completely ignoring society's rules. What's the difference between these fixie clods in the video and the lowered car thugs who get together for competitive vehicular parkour?
We cyclists stand to lose the most if things devolve to a Mad Max, post-apolocyptic scenario. I'll have to go back and watch those movies now, because I'm pretty sure bicyclists were extinct in that environment.