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Old 03-20-15, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by PRus View Post
Heading to Florida for a few days and if timing works out visiting Brian Piccolo Park & Velodrome for Novice night.
First time on a track bike.
Use just sneakers with the rental bike or bring my bike shoes and Keogh pedals?
Thanks for your input.
Bring your shoes, pedals and helmet.
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Thanks Brian, looking forward to try the "track adventure".
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Originally Posted by PRus View Post
Heading to Florida for a few days and if timing works out visiting Brian Piccolo Park & Velodrome for Novice night.
First time on a track bike.
Use just sneakers with the rental bike or bring my bike shoes and Keogh pedals?
Thanks for your input.
Is novice night a race night or a intro class?

Usually Novice/Beginner/Rookie nights are for people who have completed the beginner class and they all race with each other for a few weeks or months.

If this is your first time on a track bike, that implies that you haven't done the beginner's course. If that's the case, you certainly shouldn't be racing. Nothing personal.
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Sorry for not wording it right. It is the beginners course.
They call it:New rider orientation and development
Just hoping to ride some laps and stay upright !
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Originally Posted by PRus View Post
Heading to Florida for a few days and if timing works out visiting Brian Piccolo Park & Velodrome for Novice night.
First time on a track bike.
Use just sneakers with the rental bike or bring my bike shoes and Keogh pedals?
Thanks for your input.
I race at the BP velodrome and am always there on monday nights. If you get there at 6:15, you should be able to use a Jamis Sonik for the night for free with your own pedals. I say bring your pedals along with thin sneakers incase you use cages. There is usually a scratch race done at the end of the night.
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Originally Posted by PRus View Post
Heading to Florida for a few days and if timing works out visiting Brian Piccolo Park & Velodrome for Novice night.
First time on a track bike.
Use just sneakers with the rental bike or bring my bike shoes and Keogh pedals?
Thanks for your input.
Bring your shoes and pedals
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How do I get from these measurements to numbers I can read off a geometry chart?
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You can plug in your numbers and it will give you a pretty good geometry. Your measurements work out to roughly a 55-55.5cm TT. It will also give you angles and such, so you can compare these numbers to those of a geo chart. It doesn't give stack and reach, but you can make a pretty good estimate of it once you find a frame that has numbers close to what this page spits out for you
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Thanks for the advice on bars, have managed to borrow a set and see how i get on. However really busy with work at the moment so unlikely to get a chance to actually test on the track until race day. Which im reluctant to do for obvious reasons!
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Anyone have an inside line on what the US Elite Nats schedule is gonna look like?
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Thanks for the advice on bars, have managed to borrow a set and see how i get on. However really busy with work at the moment so unlikely to get a chance to actually test on the track until race day. Which im reluctant to do for obvious reasons!
Really worth putting them on and trying them on a quiet street somewhere, if you can't get to the track. A few warm up laps on the track will be cool - they are much easier to ride than they seem. Good luck!
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Old 03-23-15, 05:56 AM
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Question about the dryness in the air:

I've noticed that a few times the air has been too dry in the track. Mostly, I just stop and sip in some liquid (water + Nuun tablet) more often. But twice (in the O-Cup last month, and then yesterday), I felt the air so dry that it gave me this terrible hacking cough. Even swallowing became so hard and painful that it hurt even talking.

Couple of questions here:
1. Is it a common phenomenon with all? How do you tackle it?

2. Could be some physical and some mental? I mean, last month in the O-Cup, it was my first track race ever. And then yesterday also we were pushing in team pursuits, training for the upcoming racing events next week. Perhaps the pressure in the head makes it worse?

3. What's your choice of drink? Water, water + electrolytes, energy drinks, carb drinks...???

Personally, I'm a big fish when road biking. I drink a lot of water. I'm always thirsty, and the length of my ride is defined by how hot it is and how much water I carry. Unless I plan to re-fill my bottles on the way. So, the track transition has been a bit hard as I'm not used to riding without sipping in some water every 15 minutes or so.
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Originally Posted by Velocirapture View Post
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Thanks for the advice on bars, have managed to borrow a set and see how i get on. However really busy with work at the moment so unlikely to get a chance to actually test on the track until race day. Which im reluctant to do for obvious reasons!
Really worth putting them on and trying them on a quiet street somewhere, if you can't get to the track. A few warm up laps on the track will be cool - they are much easier to ride than they seem. Good luck!
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I tried my first set of aerobars in a near by school parking lot. I also taught my wife how to hold me for a pursuit start at the same time.
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It sounds like an early season cough which isn't too uncommon, it is usually more severe if your first races are in colder weather. I mentioned in the Race Report Thread that at my first track race last week, the infield sounded like a smoker's anonymous meeting due to all of the coughing.

Relative to the road, I drink a lot at the track. I usually go through 2-3 bottles of Powerade (2 zero cal & 1 regular). When it's hot outside, the 20oz bottles are switched for 32oz bottles.
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Originally Posted by myth001 View Post
I've noticed that a few times the air has been too dry in the track. Mostly, I just stop and sip in some liquid (water + Nuun tablet) more often. But twice (in the O-Cup last month, and then yesterday), I felt the air so dry that it gave me this terrible hacking cough. Even swallowing became so hard and painful that it hurt even talking.

Couple of questions here:
1. Is it a common phenomenon with all? How do you tackle it?

2. Could be some physical and some mental? I mean, last month in the O-Cup, it was my first track race ever. And then yesterday also we were pushing in team pursuits, training for the upcoming racing events next week. Perhaps the pressure in the head makes it worse?

3. What's your choice of drink? Water, water + electrolytes, energy drinks, carb drinks...???

Personally, I'm a big fish when road biking. I drink a lot of water. I'm always thirsty, and the length of my ride is defined by how hot it is and how much water I carry. Unless I plan to re-fill my bottles on the way. So, the track transition has been a bit hard as I'm not used to riding without sipping in some water every 15 minutes or so.
I was felt good yesterday at the track, drank more water than normal, but there have been sessions where I can't stop coughing after. I rarely ever get sick and this winter at the track I've got 2 throat infections. No clue if there is some relation. I've usually felt the cough in cold weather, but between indoor rides, and track time, I haven't really had the need to squeeze in some outdoor rides just yet—so the coughing surprised me. Yesterday I had one bottle of water, and then another with an electrolyte drink, that combo seemed to work fine. In the 3 hrs I was there I went through nearly 4 bottles.
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I was felt good yesterday at the track, drank more water than normal, but there have been sessions where I can't stop coughing after. I rarely ever get sick and this winter at the track I've got 2 throat infections. No clue if there is some relation. I've usually felt the cough in cold weather, but between indoor rides, and track time, I haven't really had the need to squeeze in some outdoor rides just yet—so the coughing surprised me. Yesterday I had one bottle of water, and then another with an electrolyte drink, that combo seemed to work fine. In the 3 hrs I was there I went through nearly 4 bottles.
Yes, you were there for 2 consecutive sessions yesterday. Don't know how you did it.

But I'm not sure if that track-cough is linked with the cough-cold that we get in the cold season, especially when we haven't been riding outside at all. At least, that's what I think I've noticed.

Yesterday it seemed like no matter how much I drank, it didn't affect the dry throat at all. As if the water just seeped right down the throat, without 'moisturising' it at all. I was wonder if an energy chew might've helped as it would've caused more saliva generation - just a theory!
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Originally Posted by dunderhi View Post
It sounds like an early season cough which isn't too uncommon, it is usually more severe if your first races are in colder weather. I mentioned in the Race Report Thread that at my first track race last week, the infield sounded like a smoker's anonymous meeting due to all of the coughing.

Relative to the road, I drink a lot at the track. I usually go through 2-3 bottles of Powerade (2 zero cal & 1 regular). When it's hot outside, the 20oz bottles are switched for 32oz bottles.
Haven't raced outside yet in the season, and the track season has been ON since January. it seems like just the dryness in the air (or my mind).

And I can't do too much sugary drinks, they make me pass wayyyy too much gas. Not sure my compatriots will appreciate me revving my engine every now and then...
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Originally Posted by myth001 View Post
I've noticed that a few times the air has been too dry in the track. Mostly, I just stop and sip in some liquid (water + Nuun tablet) more often. But twice (in the O-Cup last month, and then yesterday), I felt the air so dry that it gave me this terrible hacking cough. Even swallowing became so hard and painful that it hurt even talking.

Couple of questions here:
1. Is it a common phenomenon with all? How do you tackle it?
Known as Pursuiters cough - medically it is called Exercise-induced bronchoconstriction.
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Known as Pursuiters cough - medically it is called Exercise-induced bronchoconstriction.
Definitely this ^ re the cough.

Re the dry mouth, sometimes i get this really badly, and sometimes not. I find its a combination of factors - ambient humidity and temperature (hotter and drier obviously worse), how hard the effort is (breathing rate changes - blowing out more nice moist air and sucking in dry air) and if you are breathing through your mouth or nose. Breathing through your nose gives the air a bit more of a chance to moisten a little before going down into your lungs, so it doesn't suck up as much moisture travelling in and being blown out. Sometimes its not really feasible to breath in through your nose, though

That you drink a lot when you have a bottle cage is also a factor. I used to also drink a huge amount, to the extent that i'd ride on the road with a camelbak if i was going to be out there for more than 3 hours O_O. Since starting on the track, where you can't take a sip every ten minutes, my body has gotten used to drinking much less/ less often. Just an adaptation process, really.

That dry throat can actually be painful sometimes. >_<
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I drink a lot more at the track as well, perhaps just because its there and I dont have to worry about running out.

The first month at the track (Nationals and MIC) were dangerously dry. We had lots of dust in the air from construction as well, and doing a long race was very difficult. I remember coming off after just 10 hard laps and I couldn't even swallow.

Its a lot better now, the boiler (humidity) has been on for a few weeks. I used to get a bad cough at FCV, but it was like 3deg in there and full of...I dont want to know... Just get in a habit of drinking lots before, during, after. Like twice what you would on a hot day on the road.
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We call it "track hack" here in Portland. It's common. Water doesn't really help. Your body just learns to adapt after a time. Sucking on a hard candy to get moisture into your mouth helps a bit.
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Also known as Kilo cough. I find honey dissolved in hot tea seems to help. As for dry mouth, my wife swears by sticking a clove between cheek and gum, but that doesn't work for me. I really need something 'cause at the end of a long race my mouth is so dry my tongue sticks to roof, teeth, cheeks, you name it.
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I've heard it called pursuiter's lung but I prefer track hacking. We had our season opener at Kissena on Sunday and there was a lot of it going around.

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Its a lot better now, the boiler (humidity) has been on for a few weeks. I used to get a bad cough at FCV, but it was like 3deg in there and full of...I dont want to know... Just get in a habit of drinking lots before, during, after. Like twice what you would on a hot day on the road.
When I visited FCV last year in January, I had horrible track hacking after an Australian pursuit. When our group went out to eat after, a nice cider with my meal cleared it right up. I find that fizzy beverages seem to help.
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Originally Posted by rensho3 View Post
Also known as Kilo cough. I find honey dissolved in hot tea seems to help. As for dry mouth, my wife swears by sticking a clove between cheek and gum, but that doesn't work for me. I really need something 'cause at the end of a long race my mouth is so dry my tongue sticks to roof, teeth, cheeks, you name it.
That's precisely the feeling I get as well. And it seems the words are also hard to come out.

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a nice cider with my meal cleared it right up. I find that fizzy beverages seem to help.
Perhaps I should try to recreate that feeling, and test out a candy, honey, energy chewies, pop etc.

The dryness + track-hack/pursuiter's cough = an experience not looking forward to repeat...
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We had our season opener at Kissena on Sunday and there was a lot of it going around.
Yeah, that was me.
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The dryness + track-hack/pursuiter's cough = an experience not looking forward to repeat...
Wait till it comes with a serve of dry retching.Then you know you have given it a good go...
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