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How can you go fast on a df bike without aero bars?

Old 05-12-19, 08:42 AM
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yup i called right on the money
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Old 05-12-19, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by _ForceD_ View Post
Yes, it can be comfortable. But certainly not to someone new to it. I've done my share of triathlons over the decades (riding in aero position) and can certainly attest that the aero position takes some getting used to. It's a completely different position and consequently your butt is at a different angle on the seat. Without your forearms holding you up, you are now putting more pressure on your shoulders. Your head is at a different angle so your neck will get fatigued. Your torso is overextended so you're putting pressure on your stomach and lungs. And when you're new to it and unsure of yourself you're going to be more tense which will cause fatigue. All those things add up to DIScomfort to someone new to it.

Also...did you consider that maybe you're just in better riding shape than the two riders you passed? Were they maybe a couple of old geezers like me? Heck, there have been times when I've been out, alone, on one of my road bikes with standard drops and passed up rideres on tri/TT bikes in aero position.

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not a competition just an observation....not everything is a im better than u scenario....bf posters alwats get defensive when someone with different views or opinions posts something.......should change the name to like minded .com
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Old 05-12-19, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by robnol View Post
not a competition just an observation....not everything is a im better than u scenario....bf posters alwats get defensive when someone with different views or opinions posts something.......should change the name to like minded .com
Sorry...don't mean to seem defensive. Just saying that there are several factors that could account for why you were able to pass them so easily.

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Old 05-12-19, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by robnol View Post
u must be a stranger to the world of aero.....thats to bad
So, your recumbent has aero bars?

Groovy.
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Old 05-12-19, 09:02 AM
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Old 05-12-19, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by f4rrest View Post
So, your recumbent has aero bars?

Groovy.
i have more than one bike....genius
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Old 05-12-19, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by _ForceD_ View Post
Sorry...don't mean to seem defensive. Just saying that there are several factors that could account for why you were able to pass them so easily.

Dan
like i said earlier it was just an observation....
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Old 05-12-19, 09:11 AM
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I've gone 50MPH on my roadie without aero bars. So what?
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Old 05-12-19, 09:13 AM
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A key difference is they were together, you were alone. Show up to a group ride with your aero bars if further explanation is needed....
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Old 05-12-19, 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
I've gone 50MPH on my roadie without aero bars. So what?
gravity and a tailwind is an amazing thing
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Old 05-12-19, 09:16 AM
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gravity and a tailwind is an amazing thing
You asked.

No tailwind, just a 6% sustained grade for 2 miles on a straight road.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
A key difference is they were together, you were alone. Show up to a group ride with your aero bars if further explanation is needed....
they were together pacelining...me solo with no help pass them.....try riding solo into a head wind if further explanartion is needed
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Old 05-12-19, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
You asked.

No tailwind, just a 6% sustained grade for 2 miles on a straight road.
its a wonder ur not not hanging out with fabian cancellara
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Originally Posted by robnol View Post
they were together pacelining...me solo with no help pass themd
Here you go.

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Old 05-12-19, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Here you go.

yup like minded .com for all the riders that care about anything u have to say
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Old 05-12-19, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by robnol View Post
they were together pacelining...me solo with no help pass them.....try riding solo into a head wind if further explanartion is needed
The point is, though aero bars are faster, there are limited situations where they can be used. Most of us ride with others and can't use them. Tri athletes, TT riders and misanthropes, no problem
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Old 05-12-19, 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
The point is, though aero bars are faster, there are limited situations where they can be used. Most of us ride with others and can't use them. Tri athletes, TT riders and misanthropes, no problem
agreed my original point is still valid
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Old 05-12-19, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
The point is, though aero bars are faster, there are limited situations where they can be used. Most of us ride with others and can't use them.
Tri athletes, TT riders and misanthropes, no problem
Not sure what this means.
Ok, I got it. You're saying they have no problem riding by themselves.?.
I've never been on a group ride with someone using aero bar or attachments. Well except in '87 or '88, and it was me. I wasn't banned or kicked out, in fact all the riders didn't even know what they were.
I used the "original" one piece non obtrusive style. And I still do on all my bikes. I ride once a week with my riding buddy with no problems. Of course I have at the very least, average good rider handling skills and I don't use the "aero position" unless he drops me (which is after every stop light). My guess is novice triathletes or cyclist with a little unsure about them made it where they aren't allowed. IDK. But the ones I use have every position available to regular road bars plus a couple of other options.

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Old 05-12-19, 09:57 AM
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You say you are just making an observation but it, and the title of the thread, sounds like something someone who does not ride bikes would ask. People have pointed out reasons why to answer it anyways and you seem offended they recognize your observation as being subjective.

I use aeros and drops and just did a 100km ride yesterday up and down a valley to an alpine lake. Sustained climb up and headwinds down. Anecdotally, I passed one roadie woman, matched a tall guy on a hardtail mtb that I swear must have had an e motor because I could not gain and he seemed effortless (he peeled off early and I couldn't see) and got smoked going uphill by two roadies which was amazing. Someone is always slower or faster it seems.

Being in the drops lets you get pretty well as aero as aeros in regard to wind resistance but I find being tucked for long distance a little tiring. Aeros allow one to rest on the arms but at a penalty for neck/shoulder strain.

They are also more unstable than being in the drops and you have to pay attention as it is easy to over correct - hence a bad idea in group rides. This because your weight is further forward on the pivot point and you lose the fine motor control of your extended arms. I ride solo so no problem for me.

The biggest advantage for aeros to me is being able to take weight off my hands for a bit on long multi day rides. This allows me to spend hours in the saddle without needing to rest them.

Once you are used to them you can certainly go fast but frankly the same applies to riding in the drops. Even with my aeros I probably couldn't match a few TdF pros.

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i have more than one bike....genius
I don't understand your words.
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It is a hate-speak term introduced by the recumbent community.
Its not a pejorative. Just an adjective.
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Old 05-12-19, 10:02 AM
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So... What is a DF bike? So far we have...
Diamond Frame
TDF sans T
Diamond Frame.
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Old 05-12-19, 10:18 AM
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You say you are just making an observation but it, and the title of the thread, sounds like something someone who does not ride bikes would ask. People have pointed out reasons why to answer it anyways and you seem offended they recognize your observation as being subjective.

I use aeros and drops and just did a 100km ride yesterday up and down a valley to an alpine lake. Sustained climb up and headwinds down. Anecdotally, I passed one roadie woman, matched a tall guy on a hardtail mtb that I swear must have had an e motor because I could not gain and he seemed effortless (he peeled off early and I couldn't see) and got smoked going uphill by two roadies which was amazing. Someone is always slower or faster it seems.

Being in the drops lets you get pretty well as aero as aeros in regard to wind resistance but I find being tucked for long distance a little tiring. Aeros allow one to rest on the arms but at a penalty for neck/shoulder strain.

They are also more unstable than being in the drops and you have to pay attention as it is easy to over correct - hence a bad idea in group rides. This because your weight is further forward on the pivot point and you lose the fine motor control of your extended arms. I ride solo so no problem for me.

The biggest advantage for aeros to me is being able to take weight off my hands for a bit on long multi day rides. This allows me to spend hours in the saddle without needing to rest them.

Once you are used to them you can certainly go fast but frankly the same applies to riding in the drops. Even with my aeros I probably couldn't match a few TdF pros.
the geometry of a time trial bike is different than a standard road bike.....i found extended time in the drops for aerodynamics to be cruel and unusual punishment....shove ur balls up to ur bellybutton for one not to mention back and arm fatigue
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