Post your Centurion Ironman.. For the love of 80s paint jobs!
08-08-17, 10:02 PM
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08-08-17, 10:04 PM
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He's talking about the head angle of the frame which makes steering quicker and more sensitive but tends to add fatigue to the rider. He may also be talking about the seat angle of the frame which puts the rider farther forward, which also makes sense for this kind of riding.
Exactly, and beat me to it. After I posted I noticed your post. Lol.
08-08-17, 10:04 PM
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08-08-17, 10:09 PM
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However pre aerobars Dave Scotts design input was to make the top tube longer than most rode bikes to make riding longer distances more comfortable if I recall correctly. It was in his book in 1985 I think. He wrote it before aerobars were invented in 1987.
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08-08-17, 10:25 PM
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Nothing really.
However pre aerobars Dave Scotts design input was to make the top tube longer than most rode bikes to make riding longer distances more comfortable if I recall correctly. It was in his book in 1985 I think. He wrote it before aerobars were invented in 1987.
However pre aerobars Dave Scotts design input was to make the top tube longer than most rode bikes to make riding longer distances more comfortable if I recall correctly. It was in his book in 1985 I think. He wrote it before aerobars were invented in 1987.
https://www.amazon.com/Dave-Scotts-T...rds=Dave+Scott
08-08-17, 11:38 PM
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Yes that's the book. I have a copy in my office. I haven't looked at it in years though.
08-09-17, 06:09 AM
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Miyata Bicycle Catalogs: Miyata Catalog 1985
08-09-17, 06:25 AM
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These days, almost everything, because it's not only about aero (there are better aero bikes with TT bikes) but position and being able to conserve parts of your body for the run.
Back in the IM day, not a lot of people had 2 bikes, and the growth of triathlons early on depended on the 5/6 of the field that were "novices," who trained and raced on the same bike. I remember the NC TT champ riding in the road race on the same bike.
Dave Scott was "everyman," training 10 hours a week and using an off-the rack bike initially (besides being a genetic freak). The appeal almost across the spectrum was the idea that "I can do this," including afford it.
Those days are not completely over, but probably 1/8 of the field are on road bikes; everyone else seems to have their bass boat, er, race bike and all the gear. Selling speed has become lucrative, and WC Fields had it right.
The market has changed, and I meet very few triathletes who enjoy riding casually. To them, it's just 1/3 of the game. Sprint tri's attempt to get more novices, but in my experience, the underlying attitude now is no longer, "hey, let's go have some fun." Seypat knows of which I speak. There's a triathlon attitude, no doubt, and the Ironman doesn't quite fit in there anymore, except for people like TP&J who like to pass those guys on his steel legend with wheels.
It's all good, but a lot of it's different.
Back in the IM day, not a lot of people had 2 bikes, and the growth of triathlons early on depended on the 5/6 of the field that were "novices," who trained and raced on the same bike. I remember the NC TT champ riding in the road race on the same bike.
Dave Scott was "everyman," training 10 hours a week and using an off-the rack bike initially (besides being a genetic freak). The appeal almost across the spectrum was the idea that "I can do this," including afford it.
Those days are not completely over, but probably 1/8 of the field are on road bikes; everyone else seems to have their bass boat, er, race bike and all the gear. Selling speed has become lucrative, and WC Fields had it right.
The market has changed, and I meet very few triathletes who enjoy riding casually. To them, it's just 1/3 of the game. Sprint tri's attempt to get more novices, but in my experience, the underlying attitude now is no longer, "hey, let's go have some fun." Seypat knows of which I speak. There's a triathlon attitude, no doubt, and the Ironman doesn't quite fit in there anymore, except for people like TP&J who like to pass those guys on his steel legend with wheels.
It's all good, but a lot of it's different.
08-09-17, 06:53 AM
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The market has changed, and I meet very few triathletes who enjoy riding casually. To them, it's just 1/3 of the game. Sprint tri's attempt to get more novices, but in my experience, the underlying attitude now is no longer, "hey, let's go have some fun." Seypat knows of which I speak.
https://www.outsideonline.com/192572...es-have-no-fun
Are You Having Fun With the Sport of Triathlon? | ACTIVE
08-09-17, 07:20 AM
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Not done with the rant yet. I went to a funeral two weeks ago. The man was only 47 years young. He did everything right in life and was a great person. His number was called way too early. At the reception afterwards, some people were asking me if I still do those "crazy biking/running things."
"Yep, I still do them."
"Why?"
"Because I can. One of these days, I won't be able to do them anymore. I don't know when that will be, so I keep at it. Hopefully, it will be a long time before that happens. There are no guarantees in life however, so I am doing it while I can."
You never know when it will be your time. You better do "it", whatever it is while you can. Here is another article for you. Live your life with no regrets.
https://www.bigpeachrunningco.com/re...-of-triathlon/
"Yep, I still do them."
"Why?"
"Because I can. One of these days, I won't be able to do them anymore. I don't know when that will be, so I keep at it. Hopefully, it will be a long time before that happens. There are no guarantees in life however, so I am doing it while I can."
You never know when it will be your time. You better do "it", whatever it is while you can. Here is another article for you. Live your life with no regrets.
https://www.bigpeachrunningco.com/re...-of-triathlon/
08-09-17, 09:01 AM
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We are looking forward to our first triathlon. I had bikes that would work just fine. But my wife needed a bike. Dave Scott is a famous triathlete. Ironman is a famous triathlon. Local CL had a bike my wife's size with Dave Scott Ironman on the top tube. As luck would have it, Local CL had one my size also. Guess which bike is a triathlon bike.
All three are 59-60 ST x 57 TT.
All three are 59-60 ST x 57 TT.
08-09-17, 10:36 AM
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Cool collection ^
I should have taken a pic of all my Ironman before my son took one yesterday.
I "sold" him the 88 purple rain. He said he'd pay me later and he's a man of his word however after he rode down the street turned around with a big smile on his face and said MAN. (That was worth the 100 bucks I was charging him). I said I know right. I also gave him a tip. The faster you go the more stable it feels. If you go slow it may feel twitchy. Mostly because he's used to going on neighborhood rides with his family using dept store bikes. My son is such a cool guy he'll lend you his truck then ask do you need help moving something.
Back to the Ironman that he now owns. I bought it as a frame from the bay. It's 52cm and very light. Initially I built it with very unused first generation 7 speed tri color group including wheels. However I swapped all that group to my wife's classic with original 600 group to his. It rides very well, shifts and brakes well. Very solid Ironman. Much easier to let it go to my son.
Next up my 87 Miami Vice. Which I'll be "selling" to my other son and when I'll be down to 5 Ironman and looking to sell one. It has all 105 and it's also 100 bucks. Interestingly when he was about 13 or 14 I had a too large frame Miami Vice that he used to compete in a sprint triathlon. He placed and got a trophy. He started the pool swim about 30 seconds before me. I was sure I would catch him in the swim and thought I did. However when I got to the bike transition his Miami Vice was gone. I asked my other son where's your brother? He said he's already gone. I couldn't believe it, but a bout a 1/4 mile later I blew by him like a rocket, the next time I saw him was after I made the turn around on the run and closing in on the finish line. I high fived him as we passed each other. Later within a year he would beat me in a 5k run. I think that was a sad day for both of us. But it was early in the season for me and he had to run a 18 something to do it.
@seypat, yes the spontaneity has kinda been lost in triathlons and maybe in all aspects of life. But it's always good to be in good enough shape to play a pickup game of any sport and riding an Ironman helps me do that.
True we have to live life now, and stop putting off those things we always wanted to do. On a related note my sister who is one of the most intelligent persons I know, doesn't know how to swim. She may be retiring this year. So I said when you retire and have time, I'll teach you how to swim, she said "let's do it".
Keep the rubber side down Irongents.
I should have taken a pic of all my Ironman before my son took one yesterday.
I "sold" him the 88 purple rain. He said he'd pay me later and he's a man of his word however after he rode down the street turned around with a big smile on his face and said MAN. (That was worth the 100 bucks I was charging him). I said I know right. I also gave him a tip. The faster you go the more stable it feels. If you go slow it may feel twitchy. Mostly because he's used to going on neighborhood rides with his family using dept store bikes. My son is such a cool guy he'll lend you his truck then ask do you need help moving something.
Back to the Ironman that he now owns. I bought it as a frame from the bay. It's 52cm and very light. Initially I built it with very unused first generation 7 speed tri color group including wheels. However I swapped all that group to my wife's classic with original 600 group to his. It rides very well, shifts and brakes well. Very solid Ironman. Much easier to let it go to my son.
Next up my 87 Miami Vice. Which I'll be "selling" to my other son and when I'll be down to 5 Ironman and looking to sell one. It has all 105 and it's also 100 bucks. Interestingly when he was about 13 or 14 I had a too large frame Miami Vice that he used to compete in a sprint triathlon. He placed and got a trophy. He started the pool swim about 30 seconds before me. I was sure I would catch him in the swim and thought I did. However when I got to the bike transition his Miami Vice was gone. I asked my other son where's your brother? He said he's already gone. I couldn't believe it, but a bout a 1/4 mile later I blew by him like a rocket, the next time I saw him was after I made the turn around on the run and closing in on the finish line. I high fived him as we passed each other. Later within a year he would beat me in a 5k run. I think that was a sad day for both of us. But it was early in the season for me and he had to run a 18 something to do it.
@seypat, yes the spontaneity has kinda been lost in triathlons and maybe in all aspects of life. But it's always good to be in good enough shape to play a pickup game of any sport and riding an Ironman helps me do that.
True we have to live life now, and stop putting off those things we always wanted to do. On a related note my sister who is one of the most intelligent persons I know, doesn't know how to swim. She may be retiring this year. So I said when you retire and have time, I'll teach you how to swim, she said "let's do it".
Keep the rubber side down Irongents.
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08-10-17, 02:34 PM
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I thought anyone with an Ironman might be interested in this page:
Ironman Expert Dave Scott (1987-1989) | Vintage-Centurion
Near the bottom of the page is a dimensioned diagram of the Ironman Expert. It says "Sizes available: 48-64 centimeters in even increments, measured center to top".
What is the meaning of even increments? Is the increment one centimeter or two centimeters?
What is the meaning of "center to top"?
Why is my attached image so small, and how can I get it to appear larger? It's much larger when I open the file in Preview.
Ironman Expert Dave Scott (1987-1989) | Vintage-Centurion
Near the bottom of the page is a dimensioned diagram of the Ironman Expert. It says "Sizes available: 48-64 centimeters in even increments, measured center to top".
What is the meaning of even increments? Is the increment one centimeter or two centimeters?
What is the meaning of "center to top"?
Why is my attached image so small, and how can I get it to appear larger? It's much larger when I open the file in Preview.
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08-10-17, 04:18 PM
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I thought anyone with an Ironman might be interested in this page:
Ironman Expert Dave Scott (1987-1989) | Vintage-Centurion
Near the bottom of the page is a dimensioned diagram of the Ironman Expert. It says "Sizes available: 48-64 centimeters in even increments, measured center to top".
What is the meaning of even increments? Is the increment one centimeter or two centimeters?
What is the meaning of "center to top"?
Why is my attached image so small, and how can I get it to appear larger? It's much larger when I open the file in Preview.
Ironman Expert Dave Scott (1987-1989) | Vintage-Centurion
Near the bottom of the page is a dimensioned diagram of the Ironman Expert. It says "Sizes available: 48-64 centimeters in even increments, measured center to top".
What is the meaning of even increments? Is the increment one centimeter or two centimeters?
What is the meaning of "center to top"?
Why is my attached image so small, and how can I get it to appear larger? It's much larger when I open the file in Preview.
Center to top means measured center of bottom bracket to top of top tube
Hope that helps
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08-10-17, 04:20 PM
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08-10-17, 09:43 PM
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This should clear things up.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sF6rghOWYsDDEQ
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...sF6rghOWYsDDEQ
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08-13-17, 01:36 PM
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Now I realize you were referring to the diagram on this page: https://www.ebicycles.com/bicycle-to...d-bike/classic, a screen shot of which I'm including as an attachment.
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08-13-17, 01:48 PM
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