fleslider 

@markwesti , they made them for three years 1985, 1986, 1989. although ive never see a picture or seen in real life a picture of a 1986 model. they are in the 1986 catalogue but that is the only place ive seen it.

I agree RT this one is kind of beat up for the money.

RobbieTunes

Somewhere back in time are posts of my '85 Prestige. I was the oppostite of your mindset, thinking they only made them in '85.

If I recall correctly, the fork was actually painted, chromed on the very nice crown only, and Tange Prestige stickers on the fork legs. I may be wrong.

I bought mine from a guy who had the whole bike, fully equipped with the 2x6 indexed Dura Ace 7400. He wanted part-out prices, so I only bought the frame/fork/headset. I should have sprung for the entire frame.

Back then, I knew not how to fit a bike to myself, and after setting it up with tricolor 2x7, I sold it because I didn't think a 54cm would fit.

My error.

fleslider 

Has anyone ever seen a 1986 Prestige in real life, or at least a picture of one in the wild?

RobbieTunes

I have not.
For years, I would have scoffed at the thought of the '86-newer paint scheme on the elegant '85 Prestige.
It was pure class.

1985 was one heck of a year for Centurion:
Cinelli Equipe Centurion, SL tubing and Campy/Ofmega/Miche/Universal components.
Prestige, Tange Prestige, Dura Ace components
Ironman, Tange 1, Shimano 600EX.
... and those were just the top 3

johnlink

My chain had been jamming when shifting out of the smallest cog. With my bike on a work stand I saw that at the beginning of the shift the chain tilts slightly to the outside, sometimes getting caught against the seat stay. I solved the problem by adding 2 mm of washers between the lock nut and the lock washer on the drive side of the rear axle.

Has anybody else had this problem?

RobbieTunes

No, and you should not, either. Pull the washers. Make sure the outer axle nut is not missing, and check to make sure the axle is centered in the hub.

First, check the RD, as it may be bent, or perhaps the RD hanger. It happens if you've transported or dropped the bike or even just changed out the rear tire and let it sit on the RD.

Check the axle, make sure it's seated securely and evenly, and the QR skewer is not loosening up as you ride.

If you have axle adjustment screws, adjust them, looking at the chain stays, seat stays/calipers. That is generally the easiest and most common issue.

I doubt the axle's bent, but also check the QR to make sure it's not bending the axle by being overtightened.

If it's still happening, pull the wheel and check the "seat" of the cogs on the freewheel (I am assuming you have a freewheel). That is rare for a bike that has been working find. If you've upgraded the components and are using a freehub, it's quite common for the outer cog to "sit" just fine but not be properly seated, so remove the lock ring and double-check that.

You should simply not be having this problem. Whatever it is, it's all back there in a small space, so you should be able to locate it and find it.

RobbieTunes

My '85 is on vehibase's page for Centurions, and I've tried to register, but have yet to receive a validation email. It is the one in front of the blue sheet (my garage backdrop at the time).

When I click on the pic, it distorts and has banners, so it must be copyrighted.
Funny, they copyrighted my picture.

This is the thumbnail version. If/when I get validated there, I may be able to pull the pic.

markwesti

Here is something interesting I kind of think the seller doesn't know what he has . So is it a 85' Prestige ? A Comp / TA ? For sure he doesn't know how to measure . I like the way he has placed the lock .

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/lg...575426940.html

fleslider 

I pulled a little bit bigger one from there . Nice one RT

fleslider 

Looks like a 1986 Elite RS, Blew up the picture some and it looks like a Elite on the top tube

markwesti

OK I should know this , does the Elite RS have fender mounts ? Did it ever have fender mounts ? Did my CL guy grind them off ? I shot him a email .

markwesti

That was fast , he said " RS Elite what ever that means" . You are exactly right fleslider .

johnlink

Besides the extra washers, there is a cone, lock washer, and lock nut. What do you mean by the outer axle nut? Is that what I'm calling the lock nut?

The RD is fine.

It's all fine.

They're fine, with the wheel mounted straight in line with the frame.

No problem there.

I have a Uniglide freehub, not a freewheel. The smallest cog serves as the lock ring. I don't think there's any problem with the way I assembled the cassette, but I'll take another look.

For whatever it's worth, my brother Greg who sold me the bike said he used to have the same problem with it that I've identified.

fleslider 

:-) ..right on,

it looks like the 86 Elite RS did not have fender eyelets but it looks like 85 and older did.

RobbieTunes

Given the lettering font and color (white), it is not a Comp TA, it is not a Prestige. I suspect an '86 model of something.

RobbieTunes

I am quite sure the fork was painted over that chrome, just happens to be close in color.
I'm almost as wistful for that groupset, full tricolor 2x7 indexed.
Chromed seat stay caps, chromed dropouts and fork end, chromed fork crown.
After years of looking at bikes, if it was a Tsunoda frame, I'd not be surprised.
(Very similar to the Lotus Classique of the same era, but Prestige vs. Champion #1 )

That was a rock-hard Cervelo saddle, I think, non-OEM bars,and I'm certain the front wheel was a mismatch.
The rear was an Ironman wheel, 6400/Araya CTL-370. The front was a re-lace.

If I had it now, full DA 7700, long cage 7700GS RD, some nice polished wheels and a decent saddle.
If I only knew then what I had. The seller wanted $400 more for the DA 7400 group with wheels.
At the time, I declined. I'd have done it now, in hindsight.

Aaargh. Of course.

RobbieTunes

You should still not have that problem.

Perhaps it's revenge for you using his toothbrush all those years.

I sorely wish it were near me. Those issues bug me.

johnlink

I'd love for you to take a look at it. It bugs me very much when my chain jams. The 2 mm of washers has solved the problem, but if there were a solution not involving the washers I'd like to know what it is.

PanYAgua

Anyone ever tried to convert or know of anyone who successfully converted their Dave Scott "Master" to a 650B? I'm wanting to go 650b with some 38's which is roughly same diameter as 700x23......smaller rim/wheel but larger tire.

Thanks!

RobbieTunes

I just threw up in my mouth a little.
I imagine it can be done, though.

PanYAgua

Ha....no I get it. It's just that my 28mm Paselas aren't giving me the cush I'd like for this bikes current duties: commute, canal, gravel rides.

I'd LOVE it if I could squeeze some 30's or 32's on my current setup but that 'taint' happenin....

texaspandj

Yes @Unkle Rico converted his Ironman into a 650 b. I can't seem to find a pic but as I recall it was an Miami Vice Ironman. What's yours?

RobbieTunes

It will be very good at what you ask it to do. That's the beauty of it.

PanYAgua

PanYAgua