High Speed Rail: what do other know that we don't?
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Name an actual self driving car model available to the public; better yet name the actual electric self driving car model available to the public. I won't even both to ask you to describe the so-called "intelligent cooperative smart car model or road system you are dreaming about.
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If we play the game out who will be paying for all of the HSR projects? A politician that raises taxes to support something people aren’t willing to pay for will be in office for one term. Isn’t the plan to power the HSR with electricity?
We we have been told in California that the electric grid is stressed and are to to expect brown out every summer. Renewable energy isn’t up to the task yet and it may be years before it is , if ever. More nuclear is a possible solution but you run into the same NIMBY resistance to that. So electricity is generated by petrochemical power plants. Would we then be expected to build more of these plants?
Would we we need to increase taxes for both the HSR projects and build more power plants?
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
At least with EVs the customer buys the rolling stock. The customer can decide on an econobox or a luxury car. If the customer still has the option on flying would that not cut into HSR profits?
We we have been told in California that the electric grid is stressed and are to to expect brown out every summer. Renewable energy isn’t up to the task yet and it may be years before it is , if ever. More nuclear is a possible solution but you run into the same NIMBY resistance to that. So electricity is generated by petrochemical power plants. Would we then be expected to build more of these plants?
Would we we need to increase taxes for both the HSR projects and build more power plants?
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
At least with EVs the customer buys the rolling stock. The customer can decide on an econobox or a luxury car. If the customer still has the option on flying would that not cut into HSR profits?
Nevertheless, EVs do get better mpg-equivalence than combustion-motorized cars, so there is a little improvement there, but still pales in comparison to buses, which are not as efficient driving separately than they would be drafting each other in close sequence as 'bus-trains,' which in turn are not as efficient as train-cars on rails.
Also, starting and stopping cause inefficiency, though regenerative braking recoups some of that energy, the way slowing down by coasting uphill allows you to recoup your energy for free by coasting down the other side of the hill.
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Name an actual self driving car model available to the public; better yet name the actual electric self driving car model available to the public. I won't even both to ask you to describe the so-called "intelligent cooperative smart car model or road system you are dreaming about.
How is it that you can be so critical of 'dreaming' without ever being critical of the automotive dream in light of how unsustainable it has proven itself?
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Oh come on now, we're back to the stupid Trolley Dilemma.
Except that Mr. Rogers would pick Trolley up off the tracks before it hurt anyone.
Is this going to devolve without Alan and Bob 2?
Except that Mr. Rogers would pick Trolley up off the tracks before it hurt anyone.
Is this going to devolve without Alan and Bob 2?
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Glad and you got rid of her before she infected you? ;>)
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Yes you have a point. But more than likely she also claimed to be car free while taking Uber, Lyft, ZIP car, rental cars and a friends car. That is just what they do. You even have people pulling for self driving cars so they can be resupplied while wondering a wilderness trail. They too would bum a ride.
Glad and you got rid of her before she infected you? ;>)
Glad and you got rid of her before she infected you? ;>)
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I don't know about the USA but here in the region of Canada I live in they are having quite the trouble getting a route for HSR into one small city. No one living in that city want any of the proposed routes built.
Also, it seems to me that in Canada, especially Northern Ontario, that rial-travel in general is being cut way back. I used to be able to take an Ontario Northland train from Toronto to Swastika, Ontario (near Kirkland Lake) and did so quite often to get to an area I ride back to Toronto from. Now it's a bus route. On top of that Highway 11 in the south of Ontario Canada is now closed to bicyclists.
Cars and buses rule! Seems to be the mantra of traffic infrastructure planners hereabouts.
The one LRT line I saw built in this area actually INCREASES the travel time from one city's downtown core to another city downtown and that's becasue the Express Bus now ends its run at a mall where you have to transfer to the LRT and that transfer time can be fairly long. I can ride my bicycle faster between those two downtowns than I can get there by transit with the Express Bus and the LRT.
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Also, it seems to me that in Canada, especially Northern Ontario, that rial-travel in general is being cut way back. I used to be able to take an Ontario Northland train from Toronto to Swastika, Ontario (near Kirkland Lake) and did so quite often to get to an area I ride back to Toronto from. Now it's a bus route. On top of that Highway 11 in the south of Ontario Canada is now closed to bicyclists.
Cars and buses rule! Seems to be the mantra of traffic infrastructure planners hereabouts.
The one LRT line I saw built in this area actually INCREASES the travel time from one city's downtown core to another city downtown and that's becasue the Express Bus now ends its run at a mall where you have to transfer to the LRT and that transfer time can be fairly long. I can ride my bicycle faster between those two downtowns than I can get there by transit with the Express Bus and the LRT.
Cheers
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I don't know about the USA but here in the region of Canada I live in they are having quite the trouble getting a route for HSR into one small city. No one living in that city want any of the proposed routes built.
Also, it seems to me that in Canada, especially Northern Ontario, that rial-travel in general is being cut way back. I used to be able to take an Ontario Northland train from Toronto to Swastika, Ontario (near Kirkland Lake) and did so quite often to get to an area I ride back to Toronto from. Now it's a bus route. On top of that Highway 11 in the south of Ontario Canada is now closed to bicyclists.
Cars and buses rule! Seems to be the mantra of traffic infrastructure planners hereabouts.
The one LRT line I saw built in this area actually INCREASES the travel time from one city's downtown core to another city downtown and that's becasue the Express Bus now ends its run at a mall where you have to transfer to the LRT and that transfer time can be fairly long. I can ride my bicycle faster between those two downtowns than I can get there by transit with the Express Bus and the LRT.
Cheers
Also, it seems to me that in Canada, especially Northern Ontario, that rial-travel in general is being cut way back. I used to be able to take an Ontario Northland train from Toronto to Swastika, Ontario (near Kirkland Lake) and did so quite often to get to an area I ride back to Toronto from. Now it's a bus route. On top of that Highway 11 in the south of Ontario Canada is now closed to bicyclists.
Cars and buses rule! Seems to be the mantra of traffic infrastructure planners hereabouts.
The one LRT line I saw built in this area actually INCREASES the travel time from one city's downtown core to another city downtown and that's becasue the Express Bus now ends its run at a mall where you have to transfer to the LRT and that transfer time can be fairly long. I can ride my bicycle faster between those two downtowns than I can get there by transit with the Express Bus and the LRT.
Cheers
Which part of Hwy 11 is barred for bikes? At least if it is south of Barrie there are lots of alternate routes. In Northern Ontario, you don't have a lot of choice.
Oops, never mind. It used to be that Yonge St south of Barrie was also 11 and I guess now it only starts at the junction with 400 and goes north. How would you bike north from Barrie now?
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For everybody's interest, the town of Swastika was named in 1908. In WW-II, the Canadian Government changed the name of Berlin, Ontario to Kitchener, as it still is today, and changed Swastika to "Winston". The town residents of Swastika tore down the Winston signs, and put up the original name and also a sign that said "To Hell with Hitler - we came up with our name first".
Which part of Hwy 11 is barred for bikes? At least if it is south of Barrie there are lots of alternate routes. In Northern Ontario, you don't have a lot of choice.
Oops, never mind. It used to be that Yonge St south of Barrie was also 11 and I guess now it only starts at the junction with 400 and goes north. How would you bike north from Barrie now?
Which part of Hwy 11 is barred for bikes? At least if it is south of Barrie there are lots of alternate routes. In Northern Ontario, you don't have a lot of choice.
Oops, never mind. It used to be that Yonge St south of Barrie was also 11 and I guess now it only starts at the junction with 400 and goes north. How would you bike north from Barrie now?
Cheers
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I do agree it is quite disappointing that the Ontario Northland Rail service was cut back, and another service - the Algoma Central Line from Sault Ste Marie to Hearst was also shut down 4-5 years ago, except for the southernmost tourist train part. The VIA Rail (Canada's Amtrak) continental service from Toronto to Vancouver only runs each way 3 days a week. Since I do regular consulting tours in Northern Ontario I would have loved to use these lines for at least some of my travel. I managed to use the continental train once in 22 years - flying to a conference in Winnipeg and then backtracking by train to a gig in Sioux Lookout, then back to Wpg and flying back to Toronto. It was way cheaper than flying the whole way, since Sioux Lookout-Toronto requires both a long and short hop on two different airlines. The train ride itself was idyllic. However now the VIA schedule has most of the major Ontario stops occurring in the middle of the night - not great for business trips!
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Name a human-driven car that isn't prone to dangerous collisions. Name a sprawling city where everyone drives that doesn't waste land and cause deforestation, while making it difficult to LCF.
How is it that you can be so critical of 'dreaming' without ever being critical of the automotive dream in light of how unsustainable it has proven itself?
How is it that you can be so critical of 'dreaming' without ever being critical of the automotive dream in light of how unsustainable it has proven itself?
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This is the problem with merica. Our politicians spend all their energy making laws telling us what we can't do, when their main job should be to watch out for the people. Single family cars have their place, but going to work and back everyday should be sustained by a rapid transit system.
I voted for Obama the first time (but not the second time) because he ran on a promise of change. He did step up to the plate and at least try to do something to improve the healthcare system. Regardless of how people feel about the outcome, that was more than all his predecessors and those that came after put together have done. He also opened up grants for entrepreneurs with plans for alternative energy.
As for HSR, he offered 3 billion to Florida (a state that was suffering the worst of the depression at the time) to start the ball rolling on a HSR system, but the stupid governor turned it down. Imagine where that system would have been by now if construction had started back then.
When OPEC held us hostage in the 70s and held back oil production, our politicians sat on their hands bewildered. President Carter made speeches and reduce the national speed limit. Now, fourth years later, we're still at the mercy of big oil.
Trump promised to spend less time on foreign affair, and focus more on building up the U.S. So far, his legacy will be building a wall like Nazi Germany. For a nation that's supposedly the leader of the world, we can't seem to get out of our own way.
I voted for Obama the first time (but not the second time) because he ran on a promise of change. He did step up to the plate and at least try to do something to improve the healthcare system. Regardless of how people feel about the outcome, that was more than all his predecessors and those that came after put together have done. He also opened up grants for entrepreneurs with plans for alternative energy.
As for HSR, he offered 3 billion to Florida (a state that was suffering the worst of the depression at the time) to start the ball rolling on a HSR system, but the stupid governor turned it down. Imagine where that system would have been by now if construction had started back then.
When OPEC held us hostage in the 70s and held back oil production, our politicians sat on their hands bewildered. President Carter made speeches and reduce the national speed limit. Now, fourth years later, we're still at the mercy of big oil.
Trump promised to spend less time on foreign affair, and focus more on building up the U.S. So far, his legacy will be building a wall like Nazi Germany. For a nation that's supposedly the leader of the world, we can't seem to get out of our own way.
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it will be interesting to see if this actually gets built and is actually successful. my hope/wish is that it is.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#8d6399176604
didn't even consider it being the "raider train" but it would certainly benefit from fans in the southern california region if the pricing is right.
if it does work, we could see other privatized regional hsr train lines here in the west.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michael.../#8d6399176604
didn't even consider it being the "raider train" but it would certainly benefit from fans in the southern california region if the pricing is right.
if it does work, we could see other privatized regional hsr train lines here in the west.
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This is the problem with merica. Our politicians spend all their energy making laws telling us what we can't do, when their main job should be to watch out for the people. Single family cars have their place, but going to work and back everyday should be sustained by a rapid transit system.
I voted for Obama the first time (but not the second time) because he ran on a promise of change. He did step up to the plate and at least try to do something to improve the healthcare system. Regardless of how people feel about the outcome, that was more than all his predecessors and those that came after put together have done. He also opened up grants for entrepreneurs with plans for alternative energy.
He also offered 3 billion to Florida (a state that was suffering the worst of the depression at the time) to start the ball rolling on a HSR, but the stupid governor turned it down. Imagine where that system would have been by now if construction had started back then.
When OPEC held us hostage in the 70s and held back oil production, our politicians sat on their hands bewildered. Other than make speeches and reduce the national speed limit, fourth years later, we're still at their mercy.
Trump promised to spend less time on foreign affair, and focus more no building up the U.S. So far, his legacy will be building a wall like Nazi Germany. For a nation that's supposedly the leader of the world, we can't seem to get out of our own way.
I voted for Obama the first time (but not the second time) because he ran on a promise of change. He did step up to the plate and at least try to do something to improve the healthcare system. Regardless of how people feel about the outcome, that was more than all his predecessors and those that came after put together have done. He also opened up grants for entrepreneurs with plans for alternative energy.
He also offered 3 billion to Florida (a state that was suffering the worst of the depression at the time) to start the ball rolling on a HSR, but the stupid governor turned it down. Imagine where that system would have been by now if construction had started back then.
When OPEC held us hostage in the 70s and held back oil production, our politicians sat on their hands bewildered. Other than make speeches and reduce the national speed limit, fourth years later, we're still at their mercy.
Trump promised to spend less time on foreign affair, and focus more no building up the U.S. So far, his legacy will be building a wall like Nazi Germany. For a nation that's supposedly the leader of the world, we can't seem to get out of our own way.
I could not afford health insurance but got penalized on my income tax however. Still got some medical bills from a kidney stone , no insurance at the time. I have it now thru market place , so yes he addressed that..at least , no other president did.
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I think you about summed it up.
I could not afford health insurance but got penalized on my income tax however. Still got some medical bills from a kidney stone , no insurance at the time. I have it now thru market place , so yes he addressed that..at least , no other president did.
I could not afford health insurance but got penalized on my income tax however. Still got some medical bills from a kidney stone , no insurance at the time. I have it now thru market place , so yes he addressed that..at least , no other president did.
My family lost health insurance in 2016 and we haven't been able to afford it since. Perhaps when all the kids are gone, pay their own way, and if our income stays the same then . . . sounds like maybe 2022. Maybe.
And guess what? We haven't had to pay the penalty tax ever, because the premium cost to income ratio is high enough for us to fill out the proper IRS form and mark the proper spot.
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