You Don't Need Those Light Weight Wheels
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This doesn't tell me how heavy is too heavy to use for Zwift.
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It isn’t about just creating a gap. You have to be able to make the gap stick. Watch a flat stage. The breakaway will be in the lead for half the race and then get passed with 1K to go. If the goal is a win, you need to be able to make it stick.
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Does adding 100ml of sealant slow me down any more than 100g of butyl inner-tube?
When we were kids we used to prank one another by putting water inside bike inner tubes. The water would want to stay at the bottom of the wheel, so you were constantly fighting inertia.
When we were kids we used to prank one another by putting water inside bike inner tubes. The water would want to stay at the bottom of the wheel, so you were constantly fighting inertia.
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In all cases, it's imperative for an attacker to accelerate quickly to open a gap. Failure to do so allows other rider(s) to just sit on the attacker's wheel and follow, without expending as much effort as the attacker.
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Racers attack at different points in a race for a variety of reasons. Whether or not an early breakaway succeeds is a separate issue.
In all cases, it's imperative for an attacker to accelerate quickly to open a gap. Failure to do so allows other rider(s) to just sit on the attacker's wheel and follow, without expending as much effort as the attacker.
In all cases, it's imperative for an attacker to accelerate quickly to open a gap. Failure to do so allows other rider(s) to just sit on the attacker's wheel and follow, without expending as much effort as the attacker.
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Love my "PLASTIC WHEELS"
I am in the "JUST BECAUSE CAMP" with my 8+ Sets of plastic wheels.. I have no idea if they make me any faster/better at all but nothing like the pleasure I get riding on them..
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I am quite sure with a 20MPH Crosswind that it would be a very tough ride..
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I have more water bottle cages then you can shake a stick at. Just because you do not see one on my Sunday Morning Beater does not mean I don't own and use them. I am good anytime for 25 mile ride with no water or cage etc etc etc.... I just happen to not put one on this particular bike however I have more bikes with water bottle cages etc..I promise..
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Its for my 6000 Lumen Lupine Alpha Head Lamp..
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I've been trying to figure out how to power my gopro for an extended period of time and this has just given me an idea...
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The pros protect their climbers to get to the climb the best they can. So the climber can probably ride something less aero and optimized for their task of going uphill quickly.
I'm not a pro climber. I would benefit by the much more constant savings of reasonably sized aero wheels.
However, if folks have the money......it literally is a "why not have both". With enough cash you can have both the optimal aero profile AND the super light wheel all-in-one.
The acceleration thing.........the un-aero and non-weight-optimized blob on top of the bike accounts for probably 1000x the acceleration cost in a "surge" when compared to a "light" wheel spinning up versus a "heavy old aero wheel".
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Accelerations are unavoidable.
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It doesn't make sense for that, and it doesn't make sense in your post.
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How about what I said about there being aero wheels expensive enough that they're also ultra light?
If it's a "pick one" kind of deal, like between a Zipp 303 versus a Zipp 404 for a crit.......I'd pick the 404 every time. Despite the fact that in reality it wouldn't matter much.
Being forced to choose.......I feel like the math still works out. The jump lasts like 5 to 15 seconds. The "hold" afterwards lasts much longer. So, the light wheel may save 5w over that 15 seconds for each "jump". The aero wheel will save the 5w over a much longer period of time.
I feel the time after the jump is just as important as the jump. No good to jump and peter out. No good to not make the jump good enough.
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Whether or not a gap sticks in a flat tour stage like that has almost zero to do with the break's ability to make it stick and everything to do with the group simply letting them go.
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Absolutely none of that has anything to do with my response to your post implying that it doesn't matter because of "the un-aero and non-weight-optimized blob on top of the bike."
I don't know what your sentences about "jumps" or "holds" has anything to do with. Sometimes you make up and use a lot of random terms.
I don't know what your sentences about "jumps" or "holds" has anything to do with. Sometimes you make up and use a lot of random terms.
Now, the part about "jumps" and "holds". Just ask what people mean, or ask them to describe it instead of taking the high brow attitude like you're the bearer of all the "proper" cycling linguistics. Saying "you're just inventing terms" is a crappy way of saying "I don't understand what you said, can you explain". Then after the explanation saying "oh, you mean xyz, that's the proper term".
If you try to get away from a group people in a bike race, there's a period of time you put out a crap load of power to form a gap. Then, there's a much longer period of time where you're not accelerating.
time spent accelerating < time spent at constant velocity