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Have you tested this? I think a beam with a cutoff does not reduce your visibility. I usually use a shaped beam with a cutoff, and I get compliments on the clarity. I think I get this because it surprises people how they can see me from a distance without the light shining in their eyes. The beam is just under their eyes, and that probably contributes to the good job it does.
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Have you tested this? I think a beam with a cutoff does not reduce your visibility. I usually use a shaped beam with a cutoff, and I get compliments on the clarity. I think I get this because it surprises people how they can see me from a distance without the light shining in their eyes. The beam is just under their eyes, and that probably contributes to the good job it does.
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Have you tested this? I think a beam with a cutoff does not reduce your visibility. I usually use a shaped beam with a cutoff, and I get compliments on the clarity. I think I get this because it surprises people how they can see me from a distance without the light shining in their eyes. The beam is just under their eyes, and that probably contributes to the good job it does.
Well, in my defense, I did mention that I don't run it anywhere near the brightest setting.
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Edit: Go to:
Bike-components.de/en
Bike-discount.de /en
Bike24.com
.. and take a look at their battery lights. Pick "STVZO" or "approved for Germany" and you will see loads of cut-off lights (and tail lights).
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I have several bikes, some with dynamo lights (all with cutoff beams) and some with battery lights. Through a recommendation here on bikeforums, I found the Xanes SFL-01 light which is made in China and has a cutoff beam. It works extremely well and is very inexpensive. But it's cheaply made and of un-uniform quality. I've bought several units because they're so cheap, so that compensates for the inconsistent quality. Right now they are $8 on banggood, and the price varies a lot. It is sometimes available on Amazon for a slightly higher price. I do recommend the light, all things considered. Run time is long, and beam quality is excellent. I have no idea how many lumens it really puts out, but it's enough for me.
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Doesn't matter. It doesn't have to be superbright to be blinding if it's aimed at someone.
Edit: Go to:
Bike-components.de/en
Bike-discount.de /en
Bike24.com
.. and take a look at their battery lights. Pick "STVZO" or "approved for Germany" and you will see loads of cut-off lights (and tail lights).
Edit: Go to:
Bike-components.de/en
Bike-discount.de /en
Bike24.com
.. and take a look at their battery lights. Pick "STVZO" or "approved for Germany" and you will see loads of cut-off lights (and tail lights).
You're right that there are very few rechargeable lights with cutoff beams. I believe they are plentiful in the European market but not in the UK, US, or Canada.
I have several bikes, some with dynamo lights (all with cutoff beams) and some with battery lights. Through a recommendation here on bikeforums, I found the Xanes SFL-01 light which is made in China and has a cutoff beam. It works extremely well and is very inexpensive. But it's cheaply made and of un-uniform quality. I've bought several units because they're so cheap, so that compensates for the inconsistent quality. Right now they are $8 on banggood, and the price varies a lot. It is sometimes available on Amazon for a slightly higher price. I do recommend the light, all things considered. Run time is long, and beam quality is excellent. I have no idea how many lumens it really puts out, but it's enough for me.
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I have several bikes, some with dynamo lights (all with cutoff beams) and some with battery lights. Through a recommendation here on bikeforums, I found the Xanes SFL-01 light which is made in China and has a cutoff beam. It works extremely well and is very inexpensive. But it's cheaply made and of un-uniform quality. I've bought several units because they're so cheap, so that compensates for the inconsistent quality. Right now they are $8 on banggood, and the price varies a lot. It is sometimes available on Amazon for a slightly higher price. I do recommend the light, all things considered. Run time is long, and beam quality is excellent. I have no idea how many lumens it really puts out, but it's enough for me.
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Buy two or three since delivery time is slow and you might like a spare.
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No problem. For specific lights, I recommend BUMM (bumm.de) and their Ixon Core or Ixon Space, and Trelock (trelock.de) and their LS760. They both have other models, obviously, so your preference for mounts will matter too.
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Do you look when a car comes? Do you look both sides when you go through an intersection? Do you look to see when someone overtakes you or you overtake someone?
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You need to work on your reading comprehension. Like, really work on it because it's pretty dismal at this point.
You can start here:
"I tilt my helmet light away from the opposing lane(s) but my very bright front light hasn't been an issue."
Let me know if you're still confused after reading that again and we'll try to get you the help that you need.
p.s. you get extra dbag points for insinuating that I'm somehow lying about my experience "because you (at least claim to)"
You can start here:
"I tilt my helmet light away from the opposing lane(s) but my very bright front light hasn't been an issue."
Let me know if you're still confused after reading that again and we'll try to get you the help that you need.
p.s. you get extra dbag points for insinuating that I'm somehow lying about my experience "because you (at least claim to)"
2) No, it's still nothing but a claim from you. And just because you haven't noticed you're blinding others, doesn't mean you're not doing it. Let me repeat: How can you both look away and look if there is traffic coming in, say, an intersection. Things just doesn't add up.
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Again: Just because you haven't noticed anyone flashing you doesn't mean you don't blind them. There are also other cyclists out there and even pedestrians.
I don't need to "try" to know you can't both turn your head to look at something while simultaneously turn your head away to not blind them.
I am not only talking about intersecting lanes, but actual intersections. But say there is an intersecting lane on your left with traffic on the road you are on (including traffic coming at you). It doesn't matter you keep repeating that I should mouth the claims you make. You can't both say you look away, while turning your head to look. And when confronted with that, you say you don't turn your head all the way.
So an intersecting lane on your left, you looking up it, and suddenly your helmet light is aimed directly at people coming in the opposite lane of people on the road you are on - and the rear view mirrors of people in your lane.
But, yeah, you "look away" and don't blind people.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that I need to mouth what you say. Repetition and echoing what you say doesn't make it a reality.
I don't need to "try" to know you can't both turn your head to look at something while simultaneously turn your head away to not blind them.
I am not only talking about intersecting lanes, but actual intersections. But say there is an intersecting lane on your left with traffic on the road you are on (including traffic coming at you). It doesn't matter you keep repeating that I should mouth the claims you make. You can't both say you look away, while turning your head to look. And when confronted with that, you say you don't turn your head all the way.
So an intersecting lane on your left, you looking up it, and suddenly your helmet light is aimed directly at people coming in the opposite lane of people on the road you are on - and the rear view mirrors of people in your lane.
But, yeah, you "look away" and don't blind people.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat that I need to mouth what you say. Repetition and echoing what you say doesn't make it a reality.
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I bet you and your friends also have lightbars on top of your trucks and always run with them on.
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Yes, it's obvious that you don't get it. You can look at the traffic in intersecting lanes without pointing your helmet light at them. It's no big deal, despite your confusion about such a simple thing.
You're driving in a right side country. There is a road at your left. You turn your head to look up it. You don't turn it enough to point it up the side road. Where does the beam go? It goes up the road that YOU are on, blinding people coming at YOU on the road YOU are on.
I get that you're super confused by something that is so simple. I've tried to help you with your ignorance. Sadly, I haven't been successful.
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Yo, don't let facts get in the way of your drama queen routine. Making inattentive drivers, especially those who are about to right or left cross you, aware of your presence via a helmet light, is standard fare. It's super effective and practiced by many cyclists that aren't clueless.
You're confusing folks who use basic safety measures at night with "my friends." I don't know, let alone am I friendly with , those thousands and thousands of riders who understand how to use a helmet light to protect themselves from inattentive drivers.
Still 100% true:
I get that you're super confused by something that is so simple. I've tried to help you with your ignorance. Sadly, I haven't been successful.
(don't have truck, let alone a light bar, but don't let those facts get in the way of your fantasy)
You're confusing folks who use basic safety measures at night with "my friends." I don't know, let alone am I friendly with , those thousands and thousands of riders who understand how to use a helmet light to protect themselves from inattentive drivers.
Still 100% true:
I get that you're super confused by something that is so simple. I've tried to help you with your ignorance. Sadly, I haven't been successful.
(don't have truck, let alone a light bar, but don't let those facts get in the way of your fantasy)
But, yeah, blinding people is now a "safety measure". To hell with others or riding according to the environment. You have a right to blind others. I hope people in cars or on other bikes do the same to you and your friends one day, ruining your night vision while preventing you from seeing what else is happening around you.
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What's funny is that you brought up DK, and your response here are a perfect example. Little, if any, experience with the subject at hand yet you just have all of the answers. "Answers" that are directly contradicted by decades of experience.
Secondly, because I live in a small country doesn't mean I haven't been travelling all over the world on a bicycle, and it doesn't mean I don't ride in the dark. Just how desperate do you have to be to make such a stupid argument? Are you effing kidding me?
It's really funny. In a laughing at the cargodane thing kind of way.
Let me repeat: Why do you think cars have cut-off beams and you are not allowed to use the high beams constantly? Could it possibly be because blinding others is not a good thing? That it is actually dangerous?
But, somehow, YOU are exempt. You should be allowed to blind anyone you like, all so you won't be inconvenienced in the slightest.
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It's funny rereading you posts. You sure have changed your tune. Now it's your right to blind others - because you don't live in a small country where it is apparently never dark, nor can anyone living in said country travel anywhere with or on their bikes. No, you live in a BIIG country, so therefore you must be right.
Desperate little you.
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Four Single Led's. They can also Strobe at that Brightness.
When riding I only use One on The Low Setting
When riding I only use One on The Low Setting
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Btw, Fred, I always thought you were riding a recumbent in that avatar of yours (can't click it bigger). Is that true? It's difficult to do a search on "Expedition 2010" and "03 GTO".
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People who do that are not "competent". They are selfish people who will endanger others so as not to drive according to the conditions.
That you think it's being a "competent cyclist" to blind others is Dunning-Kruger talking again.
I am not building strawmen, nor am I using such stupid arguments as "you're from a small country, so you can't possibly know how to act in traffic when it's dark".
You are now on ignore.
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I see you have "the triangle". That's how to go.
I try to do the same on my cargo bike(-s), but with reflectors as the two lower ones (because they're on the cargo platform tube ends). My triangle is wider/bigger, but unfortunately only the top one is actually a light, so unless it's a car or motorcycle or a bike with powerful headlights, they will only see the red central light.
I try to do the same on my cargo bike(-s), but with reflectors as the two lower ones (because they're on the cargo platform tube ends). My triangle is wider/bigger, but unfortunately only the top one is actually a light, so unless it's a car or motorcycle or a bike with powerful headlights, they will only see the red central light.