Different shades of Nitto "gold?"
10-26-15, 04:42 PM
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Different shades of Nitto "gold?"
I already have a gold Nitto bar/stem setup and recently ordered an S65 "Crystal Fellow" seatpost also in gold.
After receiving the post, the gold on the seat post is definitely lighter and doesn't have that same deep/rich gold as the B123/Jaguar stem. It looks a bit cheap next to other Nitto gold parts.
Figured if I'm spending almost a $100 on a seatpost from the same company in the same color, it should at least match. My Nitto stem/handlebars are this awesome deep gold color and they match perfectly.
Is this the same with all of the Nitto seatposts? Anyone with a SP72 Jaguar seatpost in gold?
One possibility is that the shop that sold me the seatpost is having the anodizing done by a separate company and it's not an official Nitto color for that model.
I'm fine if all Nitto seatposts are the same shade....maybe it's just a different anodizing process for specific parts.
After receiving the post, the gold on the seat post is definitely lighter and doesn't have that same deep/rich gold as the B123/Jaguar stem. It looks a bit cheap next to other Nitto gold parts.
Figured if I'm spending almost a $100 on a seatpost from the same company in the same color, it should at least match. My Nitto stem/handlebars are this awesome deep gold color and they match perfectly.
Is this the same with all of the Nitto seatposts? Anyone with a SP72 Jaguar seatpost in gold?
One possibility is that the shop that sold me the seatpost is having the anodizing done by a separate company and it's not an official Nitto color for that model.
I'm fine if all Nitto seatposts are the same shade....maybe it's just a different anodizing process for specific parts.
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10-26-15, 06:14 PM
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Your cog is slipping.
You love to overthink things.
All the fancy gold stuff on your bike is going to fade in the sun anyway. Just ride the damn thing.
All the fancy gold stuff on your bike is going to fade in the sun anyway. Just ride the damn thing.
10-26-15, 06:20 PM
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Colored anodizing is very difficult to match lot to lot, never mind part to part, or specific alloy to specific alloy. bars, stems and posts may be made of slightly different materials, or processes, or have different surface properties, and will respond differently to the anodizing process.
Forged parts with their harder tighter surfaces tend to come up brighter than parts made from extrusion or castings, which in turn will be different from a part machined from billet.
It's just that way things are, and if you're that finicky about color stick to silver and black, though even those don't always match perfectly.
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Forged parts with their harder tighter surfaces tend to come up brighter than parts made from extrusion or castings, which in turn will be different from a part machined from billet.
It's just that way things are, and if you're that finicky about color stick to silver and black, though even those don't always match perfectly.
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10-26-15, 06:41 PM
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I can see it being ridiculous if someone expects the light green Cinelli bar tape to perfectly match their Bianchi brand Celeste saddle...but we're talking same company/same material (alloy).
Just figured there would be better consistency.
10-26-15, 06:44 PM
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Colored anodizing is very difficult to match lot to lot, never mind part to part, or specific alloy to specific alloy. bars, stems and posts may be made of slightly different materials, or processes, or have different surface properties, and will respond differently to the anodizing process.
Forged parts with their harder tighter surfaces tend to come up brighter than parts made from extrusion or castings, which in turn will be different from a part machined from billet.
It's just that way things are, and if you're that finicky about color stick to silver and black, though even those don't always match perfectly.
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Forged parts with their harder tighter surfaces tend to come up brighter than parts made from extrusion or castings, which in turn will be different from a part machined from billet.
It's just that way things are, and if you're that finicky about color stick to silver and black, though even those don't always match perfectly.
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It's just my gold Nitto bars and stem are a perfect spot-on match...they have a real deep colored gold that Nitto is known for. I asked about the Nitto gold in a previous thread and everyone replied saying Nitto's gold was very deep like the gold on a nice a timepiece (like the gold on the Rolex). My stem/handlebars were exactly this described color.
The seatpost is a much lighter gold...like it was made by a different company. I knew there would be a subtle difference but this is quite obvious. It looks like a cheap gold finish that you would expect to find some Origin8 type part.
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10-26-15, 10:15 PM
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Quit whining and buy this piece of Gold
24K Gold Extreme Mountain Bike - The House of Solid Gold
It is hideous but that XTR rear derailleur is pretty boss. I also find it funny they only use an XT shifter, SLX cassette and Alivio cranks on a $500,000 bike.
24K Gold Extreme Mountain Bike - The House of Solid Gold
It is hideous but that XTR rear derailleur is pretty boss. I also find it funny they only use an XT shifter, SLX cassette and Alivio cranks on a $500,000 bike.
10-26-15, 11:00 PM
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[QUOTE=Regulatori;18272638...but we're talking same company/same material (alloy).[/QUOTE]
Alloy is a soup. The primary metal is the broth. Aluminum, steel, titanium, sometimes more than one metal (brass and bronze for two). In the broth are one or more seasonings in much smaller quantities. Carbon, other metals, etc. Anodizing is mixing a little cream with the very top layer of the soup. You can spec your cream to all come from the same breed cow, even to the number of months since last calf was born and still, mixing that cream with different soups is going to give you different colors.
With aluminum, you are going to specify different alloys for machined seatposts, drawn handlebars and forged stems, especially if you plan to sell them as $100+ race quality components. Nitto takes it work seriously. They are going to spec the best alloy for the job, not downgrade to an alloy better suited for a different application just to keep customers happy with the appearance.
Have you thought about having the parts powdercoated?
Ben
Alloy is a soup. The primary metal is the broth. Aluminum, steel, titanium, sometimes more than one metal (brass and bronze for two). In the broth are one or more seasonings in much smaller quantities. Carbon, other metals, etc. Anodizing is mixing a little cream with the very top layer of the soup. You can spec your cream to all come from the same breed cow, even to the number of months since last calf was born and still, mixing that cream with different soups is going to give you different colors.
With aluminum, you are going to specify different alloys for machined seatposts, drawn handlebars and forged stems, especially if you plan to sell them as $100+ race quality components. Nitto takes it work seriously. They are going to spec the best alloy for the job, not downgrade to an alloy better suited for a different application just to keep customers happy with the appearance.
Have you thought about having the parts powdercoated?
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10-27-15, 05:05 AM
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https://www.bikeforums.net/singlespee...itto-gold.html
There is something seriously wrong with you - can't wait to see the threads when you decide to buy a gold chain
There is something seriously wrong with you - can't wait to see the threads when you decide to buy a gold chain
10-27-15, 09:48 AM
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Your cog is slipping.
If you spend $100 on a black Thomson seatpost and $100 on a black Thomson stem....and one is a dull-ish dark gray/black and other deep glossy black (obviously don't match), you would probably have a few questions.
I can see it being ridiculous if someone expects the light green Cinelli bar tape to perfectly match their Bianchi brand Celeste saddle...but we're talking same company/same material (alloy).
Just figured there would be better consistency.
I can see it being ridiculous if someone expects the light green Cinelli bar tape to perfectly match their Bianchi brand Celeste saddle...but we're talking same company/same material (alloy).
Just figured there would be better consistency.
As others have said in this thread, anodizing is not paint and can often be inconsistent. Life is crazy.
10-27-15, 10:02 AM
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Take the positive approach. That lighter gold seatpost? A rare alloying of gold and platinum. NiItto worked long and hard to get that look.
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10-28-15, 10:54 PM
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Clearly you spend too much time riding! You need to spend more time worrying about mismatched color on your components. At the very least you should spend an hour or two of your day calling Thomson and complaining about color differences and demanding a full refund and matching colored parts.
