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Old 05-20-19, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Super D View Post
I've been using basic, similarly-priced, EAI Deluxe and DA cogs. I notice no difference in performance or durability so far, but what do I know.

Is it worth it to spend more on cogs, or are these just fine for regular working stiffs?
No. For the regular Joe, the claimed (I've never personally come across any substantiation to the various claims) benefits are miniscule and your money will be better spent on things that mean more. I've seen many records set on gear that is thought to be sub standard by the collective mind. Get faster, get stronger (on the bike).

However, if you've got the coin and it excites you and it makes you want to ride, go for it. The whole damn bike industry is built around the sale of parts that the vast majority of riders don't really need
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Originally Posted by brawlo View Post
No. For the regular Joe, the claimed (I've never personally come across any substantiation to the various claims) benefits are miniscule and your money will be better spent on things that mean more. I've seen many records set on gear that is thought to be sub standard by the collective mind. Get faster, get stronger (on the bike).

However, if you've got the coin and it excites you and it makes you want to ride, go for it. The whole damn bike industry is built around the sale of parts that the vast majority of riders don't really need
Makes sense. I'm just about to order a couple larger cogs and a larger chainring, so figured I'd ask. I don't really have extra coin to throw away, saving up for another track frame.
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I've bought several DA cogs from NJS-Export. They are used, but they are generally in great shape and decently priced. I've also found that prices on the eBay site (listed at the bottom of the page) tend to be a bit cheaper. Shipping from Japan typically takes less than a week to get all the way to the East Coast.
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What kind of lockring would I need to be able to use a 12t cog?
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Old 05-26-19, 01:52 PM
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What kind of lockring would I need to be able to use a 12t cog?
https://www.retro-gression.com/produ...ro-mo-lockring

Shimano’s doesn’t accommodate 12t because their range begins at 13t.

A 12t lockring will work with any cog.
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Old 05-26-19, 03:19 PM
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Clinchers for outdoor velodrome?

Started riding at the local velodrome a couple weeks ago, and I just traded a commute bike for a track bike that needs new tires. I'll be running exclusively on an outdoor, cement track. No boards, and (if it needs to be said) no road.

I'll be using clinchers for now. Can I run any old fairly low-resistance, reasonably supple road tires for the moment (e.g., Conti GP 4000s)?

Thanks!
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GP4000s will be fine. I've run Conti Supersonic and Schwalbe One clinchers, and Conti Sprinters and GP4000 tubulars. They work as they should.
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GP4000s will be fine. I've run Conti Supersonic and Schwalbe One clinchers, and Conti Sprinters and GP4000 tubulars. They work as they should.
Thank you!

One more even noobier question--are cog sizes standard, or should I have my LBS check out the hubs (Phil Wood track hubs of some vintage) to see what will fit? I need to put a 15t on the back (it currently has an 18t/16t combo), since Cat5/4s all run 48/15 on my track.
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Originally Posted by cormacf View Post
Thank you!

One more even noobier question--are cog sizes standard, or should I have my LBS check out the hubs (Phil Wood track hubs of some vintage) to see what will fit? I need to put a 15t on the back (it currently has an 18t/16t combo), since Cat5/4s all run 48/15 on my track.
In my experience threaded cogs are all interchangeable. However I've found lock rings use at least two different threads.

My recommendation is to use a small amount of grease on your cogs and lock rings threads.
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It says at the start of the thread "Wondering if something is worth the time/hassle/money?" so hoping I can ask here.

I saw this for sale and wondered if anyone is familiar with these. I tried posting on the classic vintage what's it worth forum but not much feedback there.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...rack-bike.html

Velodrome track bikeSteve Bauer brand velodrome bike (probably made for the now defunct Niagara Bicycle Company) either in Canada or Taiwan. I can't find any info on it on the net. Steve was a Canadian Olympian then pro racer who lived about 400 yards from my house.

Unsure of frame size and only photo available. Seller advised needs "clean up and perhaps a new chain".

Wonder if worth the drive? Seller asking $200 Canadian (about $150 US). Any thoughts on these? Rare bike but not necessarily sought after though old race bikes in general are well liked (if in good condition).
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Old 06-03-19, 09:22 AM
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Where is it? I'll buy it if you're squeamish.
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Everybody says the same thing! People like it from the look but no one knows if its worth the coin. I think it says Levance on the top tube.

Not squeamish - just cautious. I don't know the first thing about track bikes but think I'll go look. Might offer a bit less and see where it goes. Based on the photo I think the cranks are Campy but that's it for parts I can recognize without a closer look. Should the dropouts be good quality I might buy it.
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As a complete bike, it's worth the 200 Kanuckistanian Kopeks. It was a mid quality bike for its time. Definitely bike shop quality, not Sears. It would've been ~$600-800 back in the day. It would've been a good quality bike as one's first "real" track bike.
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Ok. I will visit tonight if seller has it.
Ps I like "Kanuckistanian Kopeks" and might have to adopt and plagiarize it
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Ok. I will visit tonight if seller has it.
Ps I like "Kanuckistanian Kopeks" and might have to adopt and plagiarize it
Not my creation, so go ahead. All my US relatives call it Monopoly Money because its coloured and worthless.
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Someone beat me to the punch. Assuming the buyer was on here as gone right after I posted so whoever bought I'd like to see photos....
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Ouch. A kijiji search showed a few SB road bikes going for 250-600
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Is everything alright at Dixie Flyer? I ordered some Hellyer bars and Bobby emailed me saying they were in paint and would ship out at the end of the week last week (6/3) and that he'd update me, but haven't heard since and no reply to my email (6/12) - social media hasn't updated since about that time either.
More concerned that something might have happened than I am about the bars. They are usually really fast to respond.
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Is everything alright at Dixie Flyer? I ordered some Hellyer bars and Bobby emailed me saying they were in paint and would ship out at the end of the week last week (6/3) and that he'd update me, but haven't heard since and no reply to my email (6/12) - social media hasn't updated since about that time either.
More concerned that something might have happened than I am about the bars. They are usually really fast to respond.
Ok, here we go with my Dixie Flyer story:

I ordered a 62cm BTB frame the beginning of May. It shipped 3-4 weeks later after not hearing anything. The frame arrived, the fork spacing was 105mm +, so yeah not cool. He did tell me that he had a bad batch of forks, and that a correct one would be shipped ASAP. I was like ok, at least he told me right away. Then, I go to assemble the bike, the drop out plates were bent, and one of them only measured 9mm. I email again, I am told a few days later that I will be overnight shipped new drop out plates. I wait, nothing comes. I email again, I am told, I sent you used ones, they will be there in a few days. So, Not only were they not shipped overnight, but I was getting used ones.
At this point, I am more than a little irate. I then basically say I want a new fork NOW, new drop out plates NOW, or I am sending the bike back. So I am then told that I am being overnight shipped a brand new fork with proper spacing...Wait 2 days, NOTHING AGAIN. That was the final straw, I tell him I am sending it back. He then tells me at this point I don't need to hear anything more from you, I'll get back to you in a few days. Well, yeah I wasn't waiting a few days, filed a claim, and lo and behold, he sends me an email for UPS to pick the package up with attached packing slip.

It was an amazing looking frame, and I was sad to see it go, but I just did not trust the company anymore.
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I heard (and witnessed) similar stories about Serenity.

Not about Dixie Flyer in particular, but "China Carbon" in general...

People ask, "Why not get an eBay frame for a fraction of the cost of the household name companies??"

The answer is: Quality Control.

The Chinese companies will ship things that household name companies will not. It's that simple. The question is whether or not the company state-side catches the defective parts before the customers get them.

In that documentary showing how easy it is to setup a bike company with as little as $5,000USD (if memory serves me correctly), one guy that worked for a popular US company had to live in China (or visit several times a year) and inspect the products at the factory regularly to make sure they weren't shipping things they should have been scrapping.

"Why would they ship things that don't meet specs?" Being lazy and cutting corners. The faster they make their quota, the fewer raw materials they have to buy, the less they pay in labor costs, and the faster they are on to making money on the next job.
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I heard (and witnessed) similar stories about Serenity.

Not about Dixie Flyer in particular, but "China Carbon" in general...

People ask, "Why not get an eBay frame for a fraction of the cost of the household name companies??"

The answer is: Quality Control.

The Chinese companies will ship things that household name companies will not. It's that simple. The question is whether or not the company state-side catches the defective parts before the customers get them.

In that documentary showing how easy it is to setup a bike company with as little as $5,000USD (if memory serves me correctly), one guy that worked for a popular US company had to live in China (or visit several times a year) and inspect the products at the factory regularly to make sure they weren't shipping things they should have been scrapping.

"Why would they ship things that don't meet specs?" Being lazy and cutting corners. The faster they make their quota, the fewer raw materials they have to buy, the less they pay in labor costs, and the faster they are on to making money on the next job.
The lack of quality control and lack of prompt communication sealed the deal for me. I will never purchase something bike related sight unseen again. I guess you get what you pay for. I ended up going to a Brick and Mortar store and although I really didn't want to spend 3x as much, purchased a Cervelo T4 and couldn't be happier.
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hmm, interesting. I had heard mostly good things about DF. a 33cm aero'ish drop bar with pretty good geometry seemed like a no-brainer.
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"Why would they ship things that don't meet specs?" Being lazy and cutting corners. The faster they make their quota, the fewer raw materials they have to buy, the less they pay in labor costs, and the faster they are on to making money on the next job.
I have been involved with quality control for many years. The problem with many Asian countries is that they do not understand what quality is all about. Further compounding the problem is that in many Asian cultures it is considered rude to inform a senior or older person of bad news (poor quality).
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hmm, interesting. I had heard mostly good things about DF. a 33cm aero'ish drop bar with pretty good geometry seemed like a no-brainer.
I had heard only good things, which is why I ordered from DF. If you are questioning your order (as I felt there was definitely something fishy going on a few weeks after my order) PM me. I’m not one to blow up someone’s spot publicly, but I kind of feel obligated so that another person doesn’t order from them and be sorely disappointed. My problems were treated so nonchalantly it really bothered me. Even if everything ended up working out after all these problems there was no way in hell I trusted riding that frame.
Like I said I can give more details through PM that would shock you about my correspondence with DF.
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I have been involved with quality control for many years. The problem with many Asian countries is that they do not understand what quality is all about. Further compounding the problem is that in many Asian cultures it is considered rude to inform a senior or older person of bad news (poor quality).
I get all that, but at the end of the day, the final quality check has to be done by the OWNER of the company. I shouldn’t be receiving a bike with a 105mm spaced fork and messed up drop out plates. It also looked like some kind of filler was used on the steerer, and there was some minor chipping around the track ends. To double down on this,
promises were made and broken about overnight shipping the proper replacements.
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