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Gravel helmets?

Old 06-24-19, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by wgscott View Post
I'm surprised this isn't yet a niche, overpriced market.

But I am curious, do you tend to use your road bike helmet, or mountain bike helmet, or something different?
Whatever I want. That's the cool thing about gravel . . . no need to make a fashion statement.

But if you're asking for advice, I understand Trek came out with something that changed cycling forever. You ought to give it a try!

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Old 06-25-19, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
So all this talk has made me hyper aware of using my helmet without a visor on MTB trails.
I am so totally in violation of this. I always thought the visors on helmets looked silly.


I guess we're working up a set of requirements here for a gravel helmet. The visor should retract or pivot out of the way in some fashion to allow the user to code-switch as they transition from singletrack to roads. Meanwhile, I think some sort of screen over helmet vents to keep rocks and stinging bugs out would be practically mandatory.
Maybe it could combine wavecell and MIPS together for ultimate injury prevention.
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Old 06-26-19, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Maybe I am missing something, but why would there be a need for anything beyond a regular helmet from the shop/store?

If the difference between a road and mtb helmet is a plastic visor, then wear the helmet whichever way you want and go ride gravel.


If a gravel helmet comes out, the shark officially will have been jumped.
They've come out with gravel specific shoes.... so yea, that shark is close.
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Old 06-27-19, 07:59 AM
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Road helmet? MTB helmet? I have one helmet at a time, and I wear it for all cycling.
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Old 06-28-19, 10:51 AM
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Are two helmets really necessary for XC mountain riding and road riding? I wear the same one for both.
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Old 06-29-19, 05:58 PM
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I hope they’d have gravel gloves and socks in matching colors.
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Old 06-29-19, 09:27 PM
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I bought my last helmet at a LBS ( 50 miles away in Kerrville Texas ) and I never bother to see if it was a road or mountain bike helmet. It’s a Giro Savant. Fits well and is comfortable. So far so good.
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Old 07-01-19, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chemistry76 View Post
They've come out with gravel specific shoes.... so yea, that shark is close.
I had to look this up... I'm assuming you're talking about the Shimano XC5 shoes. Looks pretty silly to me. I'm wearing clipless cycling shoes but trying to look like I'm not wearing clipless shoes and still have to worry about shoelaces getting caught in the chainring? Looks like more of a fashion statement to me.
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Old 07-01-19, 10:46 AM
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Laced cycling shoes are dumb and stupid and totally a fashion statement. It'll be something when wood soles come back - marketing about sustainable Osage orange and how it's 3x the stiffness of carbon or something.
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Old 07-01-19, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by event horizon View Post
Things for you to consider:

-There are many laced cycling shoes that aren't marketed as being gravel shoes
-The lacing isn't a fashion statement, nor is the lacing used so folks can look like they're not wearing clipless shoes
-Laces provide a more comfortable and secure fit than velcro and cable systems
-Only someone with an utter lack of understanding about how these shoes function would imagine that folks that using these laced shoes would have to worry about shoe laces getting caught in the chain ring.
Sorry, didn't mean to touch a nerve there...
What do other lace up shoes have to do with this? My comment about trying to not look like clipless shoes is the general styling of this shoe when I searched for a review. Looks like fashionable sneakers or something. https://bikerumor.com/2017/11/17/rev...ling-footwear/
I didn't mention anything about comfort, but being able to reach down on the fly and adjust just one strap on a velcro shoe as I warm up or cool down is something I do fairly frequently. Not an option with laces.
Ok, they have a keeper for the laces. Which is pretty much an admission by the designer that if you don't secure your laces somehow that they will find their way into the chain and at very least get greasy. I'm really not sure how to take your last point since the only person wearing lace up shoes who doesn't have to think about it getting caught in the chain ring is someone not riding a bicycle.
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Old 07-01-19, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by event horizon View Post
Not necessary, but good mtb helmets offer more coverage(back of the skull) than road helmets.
Makes sense for more rugged mountain biking but the kind of riding I do I guess the one helmet is sufficient.
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Old 07-01-19, 11:37 AM
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I'm just going to leave this right here.

The future of all cycling hats.

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Old 07-01-19, 12:48 PM
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Re lace-ups, for those with high arches, laces can be re-routed to avoid the high spot and thereby prevent some discomfort.

I've had to do this on some running shoes.


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Old 07-01-19, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by event horizon View Post
Thanks for the apology, my ulnar nerve appreciates it.
Honestly wasn't trying to be funny there. Your response was pretty surprising.


The other laced shoes, for example, Giro's offerings, look similar. Your assumption that "they're trying to not look like clipless shoe" is what made me chuckle and prompted my response.
An image search for Giro's just look like road shoes with laces. These look like sneakers. My honest first thought was that it looked like something for a fixie rider.


Not needed with laces as the the retention load is more evenly spread out across the instep. They're set and forget.
Evenly spread tension does not work for me in cycling. I intentionally have different tension on the straps. Set and forget doesn't work because that's not how my feet work. Good tension now might not be good later. This is especially true on cooler spring rides when you start out a bit chilly so need the shoe tighter to keep your foot from sliding about and chafing but once warmed up need to relax the tension to allow circulation to continue. FWIW, I often readjust tension on the laces of laced shoes and boots as well if I have them tighter than slip-on tension.
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Old 07-01-19, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by event horizon View Post
Things for you to consider:
-Laces provide a more comfortable and secure fit than velcro and cable systems
Perhaps thats accurate for some. And its perhaps also accurate that some find BOA to be more comfortable.
I have 0 interest in lacing my shoes. a velcro strap at the toebox never moves because its right where I like for tightness, and a BOA up higher gives me fast connection with micro-adjusting. I cant get that with laces, especially considering they loosen up over time.
When riding, I can loosen or tighten the shoes on the bike is 5 seconds, so if I get a rare hotspot or toe numb, I can adjust while still riding.

I am not going to declare BOA as a better tightening system, but I certainly like it more. The beauty is that there are multiple tightening systems so someone can find what they like.
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I have a wide foot and high instep. Iíve been wearing Sidi Mega and Shimano wide shoes for years (7,000-9,000 miles per year). I was completely happy with their closures over the years, and more recently the boa-style closures. I could adjust mid-ride as needed. That said, this is the first year I have worn lace-ups... OMG they are a game changer and I am converted. As was said, they are set and forget. They are good for all day riding with no need to adjust. Maybe I look like a hipster, but who cares.
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I love the banana helmet. It would go perfect with my coconut bikini top.
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I always carry two helmets. A road bike one for paved surfaces and a mountain bike helmet for the dirt. Should I plan on 3 or will a new gravel specific helmet suffice for all non paved roads? Or just switch to bananas.
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Originally Posted by Spoonrobot View Post
Laced cycling shoes are dumb and stupid and totally a fashion statement. It'll be something when wood soles come back - marketing about sustainable Osage orange and how it's 3x the stiffness of carbon or something.
Ever had a BOA clog with mud or break? Ever had the crappy Velcro or the ratchet strap on Sidis go to pot prematurely?

Laces aren't a fashion statement. You get a better fit, albeit slightly more fussy to get right. And spares are available anywhere there's a shoe department....as opposed to BOA for example, which is a hassle to get right widget and the shipping costs 3x as much as the part.
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Originally Posted by flyjimmy View Post
I always carry two helmets. A road bike one for paved surfaces and a mountain bike helmet for the dirt. Should I plan on 3 or will a new gravel specific helmet suffice for all non paved roads? Or just switch to bananas.
It isn't about the surface but the handlebars. Two helmets in your arsenal will suffice and only one need be in your quiver at any time.

A road bike helmet is appropriate for drop bars while a MTB helmet is appropriate for flat bars.

Buttefly type bars and recumbents are uncommon enough that any type of helmet is appropriate.

That's all.


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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
It isn't about the surface but the handlebars. Two helmets in your arsenal will suffice and only one need be in your quiver at any time.

A road bike helmet is appropriate for drop bars while a MTB helmet is appropriate for flat bars.

Buttefly type bars and recumbents are uncommon enough that any type of helmet is appropriate.

That's all.


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I don't get it.
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Originally Posted by CyclingFever View Post
I don't get it.
Drop bar = road helmet

Flat bar = MTB helmet


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Originally Posted by TimothyH View Post
Drop bar = road helmet

Flat bar = MTB helmet


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Why though?
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Originally Posted by CyclingFever View Post
Why though?
Flat bars typically position the rider more upright, where having a visor doesn't interfere with vision.
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Priorities! I choose the one that holds my bike up the best.

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