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OMG - Am I Really Going to Buy Another Bike?

Old 08-04-19, 06:34 PM
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I liked my Madone a lot better when I got rid of the handlebar stem combo.
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Old 08-04-19, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
I do not think a Madone is worth the expense and complexity unless you are really desperate for one.
I actually have a Emonda ALR5 (105 mechanical) and Madone (DA di2), both rim brake.
I ride the Emonda more.
Dean, on thinking more abouot your response...

What 'Madone complexity' are you referring to? Is it the di2 shifting (in which case it really isn't a Madone vs Emonda thing). It isn't obvious to me how a frame/fork/handlebars bring complexity, but that is probably just lack of understanding on my part.

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Old 08-04-19, 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by colnago62 View Post
I liked my Madone a lot better when I got rid of the handlebar stem combo.
Am I correct in assuming that you are referring to that integrated bar/stem thing that (apparently) the lower end Madone's do not have. Is that right? What is it that was a problem for you.

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Old 08-05-19, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC View Post
Am I correct in assuming that you are referring to that integrated bar/stem thing that (apparently) the lower end Madone's do not have. Is that right? What is it that was a problem for you.

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I think the big complaint with systems like that is that adding/removing spacers requires removing all the cabling from the area as well, and then reinstalling.
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Old 08-05-19, 08:48 AM
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Abe - thanks. That makes sense.

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Old 08-05-19, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC View Post
Abe - thanks. That makes sense.

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Yea, I mean it is sort of an unavoidable problem if you're going to be hiding everything away nice and cleanly like that. SOME bikes have cool little spacers with breaks and hinges on them that are a workaround for that issue though I believe. I'm not sure if you can just buy a few for use on any bike though.
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Old 08-05-19, 09:04 AM
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I mean does hiding cables really offer an aero performance advantage...pretty sure thatís all aesthetics lol
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Old 08-05-19, 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC View Post
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Second when you are retired and much of your 'income' is derived from savings, the question 'can I afford it' is relatively ambiguous. Given an anticipated required income stream, 'how much is enough savings' is basically not knowable. Things are typically a bit more obvious when you are living strictly off an income (in the traditional sense).
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I've been there all my adult life. We've never had "an income." I currently own 2 used bikes, one '99 Trek that I bought new but on sale in CA and had shipped up, and one rain bike which I built for $800. All the bikes I've ever owned before the Trek were used. Neither my wife nor I have every owned a new car. Our last car went almost 300k miles. We're all about utility, except for event jerseys, which we just can't resist. Almost all our jerseys are from events. OTOH, most of our vehicles, motor and human powered, over the decades have been higher end than we could have ever afforded new. Hence my rec for buying used. That's what I'd do.
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Old 08-05-19, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by MyTi View Post
I mean does hiding cables really offer an aero performance advantage...pretty sure thatís all aesthetics lol
It's both.

I mean obviously it's not going to make you go from cat 5 pack fodder to tearing up P/1/2 races just by hiding your cables lol. But yea, my understanding is that anything with a circular cross section is Bad, with a capital 'B.' I seem to remember from somewhere that hiding cables saves a small but significant number of watts at normal speeds. Like ~5 maybe? Which is definitely not nothing. For many people, that could well equal the gains made through a brutal, 6 week structured training plan.
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Old 08-05-19, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC View Post
And this brings up a related question. How would the readers out there trade-off the utility of similarly equipped Madone's vs Emonda's. Assume the rider routinely rides in the 18-20 mph range (solo) but isn't a racer type, other than occasionally setting out on some kind of solo effort with some kind of personal performance goal. Typically the answer is that aero almost always trumps weight, although a teeney bit of aero is unlikely to trump 10 pounds of weight. Additionally the Madone is a sexier bike. I honestly don't know if I prefer that or not. I am not the kind of rider that likes to draw attention to himself (I almost always buy plain jersey's, for example).

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Aero trumps weight, but proper fit trumps both. I'd love to own one of the more recent Madones, but the TT is far too long for my body(very long legs/short torso and arms).
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Originally Posted by Abe_Froman View Post
It's both.

I mean obviously it's not going to make you go from cat 5 pack fodder to tearing up P/1/2 races just by hiding your cables lol. But yea, my understanding is that anything with a circular cross section is Bad, with a capital 'B.' I seem to remember from somewhere that hiding cables saves a small but significant number of watts at normal speeds. Like ~5 maybe? Which is definitely not nothing. For many people, that could well equal the gains made through a brutal, 6 week structured training plan.
Well thatís understandable save 5 Watts here and 5 watts there it adds up I guess. But still think only if you are racing and how many people here are racing? 😂
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Old 08-05-19, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTi View Post
Well thatís understandable save 5 Watts here and 5 watts there it adds up I guess. But still think only if you are racing and how many people here are racing? 😂

Same question can be asked of just about any piece of cycling equipment. Dunno about you, but I see an awful lot of non-racers showing up for group rides with blingy carbon wheels, $3000-$5000 bikes.
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Old 08-05-19, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC View Post
Dean, on thinking more abouot your response...

What 'Madone complexity' are you referring to? Is it the di2 shifting (in which case it really isn't a Madone vs Emonda thing). It isn't obvious to me how a frame/fork/handlebars bring complexity, but that is probably just lack of understanding on my part.

Thanks.

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It is the integrated/hidden cabling that looks so clean and cool but makes access and wrenching on them that much more of a chore. That is why I went di2, so at least I wouldn't have to deal with shift cables. But even to just fit a rear brake cable is certainly not a 5 min job. Mine has also been prone to rattling on course chip seal and that has not been easy to track down and fix either. The bar/stem does have a clever split spacer design so you can change bar height as easily as a normal bike.
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Although disc brakes are not my preference, they have one additional advantage. And that is that you don't have to ask any brake questions when choosing various carbon disk wheels. Carbon and rim brakes seem a bit marginal to my uninformed mind.

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the solution is to get these Bullet 50, no issues with brake pads or with changing wheels. I love mine!
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Old 08-07-19, 04:19 PM
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Just ordered a 2020 Trek Emonda SL 6 (rim brakes). So starting probably early next week when the bike arrives, N+1 will be 3 where it has been 2 since I returned to actually riding a bike (as opposed to several years of spin bike riding in a spare bedroom) in 2014. And until 2014 I guess that N+1 was maybe 1.5 as the bike was in the attic, ignored, and unrideable (after around 16 years of sitting in various attics and garages).

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Just ordered a 2020 Trek Emonda SL 6 (rim brakes). So starting probably early next week when the bike arrives, N+1 will be 3 where it has been 2 since I returned to actually riding a bike (as opposed to several years of spin bike riding in a spare bedroom) in 2014. And until 2014 I guess that N+1 was maybe 1.5 as the bike was in the attic, ignored, and unrideable (after around 16 years of sitting in various attics and garages).

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Excellent choice. Site says 16 lbs.
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The short answer is..Yes. You are going to buy another bike. When I got back into cycling, about 15 yrs. ago, I had a LeMond (aka: Trek) with a triple crank. Saw an awesome Masi. My GF bought it for me. All Dura Ace. She bought it as a surprise birthday present. The surprise was that although I love it, it's a 58 and I ride 54-56. I made it work and, still, I loved riding it. I sold the LeMond to a friend. Then a friend sold me a Guru Sidero (steel) because it didn't fit her but was my exact size. The Masi got put away. Then I was turning 70 and my friends were riding rail/trails so I bought myself a birthday present.......Colnago World Cup CX. Several months ago there was a killer deal on a CAAD 12. I bought it. Now I have 3 road bikes and a CX bike. So, yes, you are going to buy another bike. That's just one of the rules.
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Originally Posted by DaveLeeNC View Post
Just ordered a 2020 Trek Emonda SL 6 (rim brakes). So starting probably early next week when the bike arrives, N+1 will be 3 where it has been 2 since I returned to actually riding a bike (as opposed to several years of spin bike riding in a spare bedroom) in 2014. And until 2014 I guess that N+1 was maybe 1.5 as the bike was in the attic, ignored, and unrideable (after around 16 years of sitting in various attics and garages).

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You bought a fantastic, light, climbers bike for a big climb. Excellent choice. A light bike is fun to ride in general and you'll get a lot of miles and enjoyment from it. But you also made the right choice.

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