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Old 07-30-19, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tobukog View Post
Here you go. 51.2 km/h by Heg, who lapped the field twice -- once solo.

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I was looking for fastest Road events - 20 min or longer.
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Old 07-30-19, 11:10 AM
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I didn't mean flat like a crepe. It's not flat, but it's not exactly your local hill-sprint either.
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Old 07-31-19, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
This is 41ish, except I'm interested in races. What is the fastest mph 20+ min time ROAD race you have done or seen?
I'm looking for group/pac speed.
It can be longer, but looking at ending up at the same point to eliminate altitude, and wind.
A crit or CR, or RR with laps ~ 20 min is the best measure.
No TTs, no Track.
110 mile road race at 29.2 mph. if you spent the time can probably find a 20 minute segment well over 30 mph, but what's the point? it just means it was a flat non-technical race where the right break never went.
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Old 07-31-19, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gerundium View Post
110 mile road race at 29.2 mph. if you spent the time can probably find a 20 minute segment well over 30 mph, but what's the point? it just means it was a flat non-technical race where the right break never went.
My main point was getting facts. In the entire Road Bike Racing forum, I didn't see numbers how fast road bikes go in a race on a closed course. Closed to eliminate wind aide and hill aide. I see TdF stages with the flags ripping behind them and going 30+, then the descents. I was not looking for that. I'm also interested in regional speeds. I think the CO crits are slower. TTs are interesting too, but there is a lot of data for that. So I mainly wanted road bike racing with laps sustainable aerobic speed.

Using those facts might be uninteresting, or interesting depending who you are. I could use them for equipment selection and determining the speed one needs to hold to bridge to, or hold a break. San Rafael (SR) has a hill the faster St Louis one does not. Corners matter too, but you can get a lot of that from Strava.

The other thing that was interesting to me was how fast and competitive the women were in SR. In Agoura Hills a few years ago the Pro CA champions averaged ~20 mph. The SR women were much much faster. Was it the purse size, weather, primes - I was wondering why such a speed difference.
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Old 07-31-19, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gerundium View Post
....it just means it was a flat non-technical race where the right break never went.
The 29.7mph SR was not flat, was technical and the break went.
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Old 07-31-19, 10:26 AM
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I'm going to go out on a limb since this was a time before Strava, but I kind of feel like the American crit scene has gotten a little slower and more reasonable. Even with all the equipment improvements, it just doesn't feel like the super charged era. In addition, there just aren't as many big teams with 10 riders whipping it up at the front like in the era of Saturn and Mercury. I just remember riding Visalia and going consistently riding at 56-58 on the home straight, 48-50 in the technical sections and wondering who was on the front.
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Old 07-31-19, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tobukog View Post
... and wondering who was on the front.
Steve Hegg, Roy Knickman, Tom Resch, Kenny Adams, Nelson Vales (if real flat), Wayne Stetina. In back, mostly John Howard.

I forgot Thurlow Rogers, and maybe even Greg Lemond in a few RR. Greg won Acton RR, Thurlow 2nd.

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Old 08-02-19, 07:42 PM
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Valley of the Sun pro/1 crit was 30.3 mph average in 2018 (and I'm sure every year). At the time it was the fastest race I'd done.

Boise Twilight this year was quite fast - it's a wide open course, smooth and flat. Training Peaks says 32.4 mph average for the first 20 mins for me - I got crashed out with 20 mins left (90 min race). TP says 31.7 mph average for the 1 hour 10 mins I was in it.

I heard 31.5 mph average for the finishers. But Cory W's (who got 2nd or 3rd leading out) says 30.5 mph average. Shrug, it was very fast.

https://www.strava.com/activities/2532508502

Fwiw it wasn't actually that hard to "sit in" at Boise - things were lined out at a few points but it didn't feel like your eyes were bleeding or anything. Guys were coasting at the front (at times), attacks flying/etc, the usual antics of a crit.

Really though it doesn't matter - races can be slower but less smooth and harder. There is no award for the fastest speed, except for TTs of course but those are for weirdos.
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Originally Posted by mattm View Post
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Really though it doesn't matter - races can be slower but less smooth and harder. There is no award for the fastest speed, except for TTs of course but those are for weirdos.
Thanks Matt. Yea, I was not asking about hard, I was interested in fastest 20 min. 32 is smoking. I've seen many VOS crits. I actually never looked. I don't think you can do all parts of that course (all turns) without some acceleration out of the corners.
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The P/1/2 field at the Tuesday Night PIR series routinely breaks 30 mph for an average speed for well over an hour. Highest 20-min avg is probably close to 31. A wide-open car racetrack with smooth tarmac is good for that.
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Old 08-13-19, 01:57 PM
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What's the "on the front" power necessary for a group like that to average 31mph on a flat oval crit?

Like 450w? More? Solo it has to be like 500w.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
What's the "on the front" power necessary for a group like that to average 31mph on a flat oval crit?

Like 450w? More? Solo it has to be like 500w.

390-420 depending on your aero profile and the severity of the oval corners.
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
What's the "on the front" power necessary for a group like that to average 31mph on a flat oval crit?

Like 450w? More? Solo it has to be like 500w.
Donít ask me! I never saw the front. Well I saw it.. but I was never on it.

215w AP/230w NP in the pack - I was biding my time until the end, but then I got crashed out.
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Donít ask me! I never saw the front. Well I saw it.. but I was never on it.

215w AP/230w NP in the pack - I was biding my time until the end, but then I got crashed out.
That sounds about right for being in a group. But man is that fast!

It's really fun math to think about what you can do and what you can recover at to figure out how fast and how long you could last. With a buddy, with two other buddies, with four, etc.........
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Old 08-20-19, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Doge View Post
Steve Hegg, Roy Knickman, Tom Resch, Kenny Adams, Nelson Vales (if real flat), Wayne Stetina. In back, mostly John Howard.

I forgot Thurlow Rogers, and maybe even Greg Lemond in a few RR. Greg won Acton RR, Thurlow 2nd.
I donít remember Nelson Vails as being much of a crit rider. He used to see he only needs enough endurance to race 1K.
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Old 08-20-19, 01:45 PM
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I donít remember Nelson Vails as being much of a crit rider. He used to see he only needs enough endurance to race 1K.
Notice my (if really flat). He would come out and do Como Street and drop some place about Cooks Corner. Still, hanging with the group up El Toro takes work. More work now, but it was not easy then. I think he used to do Elorado Park. I can't really remember. Gibby Hatton still does CBR.
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Today's Vuelta stage: an average speed of 50kph for 220km. That is 31mph. 17 stages into a GT. Wow.
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Today's Vuelta stage: an average speed of 50kph for 220km. That is 31mph. 17 stages into a GT. Wow.
That is a point to different point race that had 2/3 descending and ended 100m lower than the start. I'm expect wind had way more to do with it.

Road races are very hard to judge because of that - why I specified (to same point) in OP.
https://www.cyclingstage.com/vuelta-...17-spain-2019/
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Yeah, I wasn't exactly answering the first post, just a 'wow' number along the same lines.
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Old 09-17-19, 06:13 AM
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Yeah, but were they pulling at 350w the entire time? (funny from the "we yell at you" topic)
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