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Old 08-16-19, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by holytrousers View Post
I really like your second attitude, and that's what happens when one realizes that it's they who got a problem, and that one should be grateful for not having to live with such issues.
But if one gets angry, it's as if that harassment was his problem : why is that wrong ? to begin with, it won't help the other change. but the real issue is that if one gets affected, it means one seeks revenge. It's a sign that one is like that person because the stupidity has been welcomed, approved and nurtured. and that is a problem : it turns out that we are caught in the same spiral of hate. the other probably did it because someone did it to him earlier. When we get angry we fail to see that simple truth and we perpetuate the evil. Isn't it therefore more appropriate to see harassment as a weakness (as many have realized) and be rather ... different ?
YES, my 1st reaction is to wish a bad day to someone who could have caused a bad day to me (an instinctive thought)... BUT, my second reaction is to wish a good day ( a conscious thought to not dwell on the negative), a good trip, a good holiday or whatever fits the driver who went out of his/her way to not hit me, and guess what, the good way out weigh's the bad, thus I almost always have a great ride even tho some people seemed to have had it out for me...

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Old 08-17-19, 02:45 AM
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Some people can see doom everywhere. Some are too afraid to drive on certain highways. Some are too afraid to fly. Others are too afraid to take a boat.

Thing is, every mode of transportation can fail and has an accident ratio. Thing is, these fears are irrational since walking can also be dangerous, and more people are hit by cars walking than cycling. Those of you that only see gloom and doom on the roads might want to give that some thought.

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Old 08-18-19, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bakerjw View Post
As I have mentioned before, the soot in diesel smoke is a known carcinogen. People who "Roll coal" are intentionally exposing people to a harmful substance that can cause cancer. It is no different than if someone with aids spits blood in your face. I've seen lildiques in big trucks do it to cyclists, pedestrians, protesters, you name it... and I find it infuriating.

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer...nd-cancer.html
Sorry but it is quite different than someone with AIDS spitting blood in your face.
Just wow...
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Old 08-18-19, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
Sorry but it is quite different than someone with AIDS spitting blood in your face.
Just wow...
Hey, this is A&S, even pointing out that overreaction, to include overwrought hyperbole and rhetoric about every perceived slight may be counter-productive, might be considered just another form of "harassment" by some of our more sensitive colleagues.
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Old 08-18-19, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 350htrr View Post
YES, my 1st reaction is to wish a bad day to someone who could have caused a bad day to me (an instinctive thought)... BUT, my second reaction is to wish a good day ( a conscious thought to not dwell on the negative), a good trip, a good holiday or whatever fits the driver who went out of his/her way to not hit me, and guess what, the good way out weigh's the bad, thus I almost always have a great ride even tho some people seemed to have had it out for me...
Your thought has been put in these terms by a certain Buddha :
Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at the other; it's you who gets burned in the end.
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Old 08-18-19, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by holytrousers View Post
Your thought has been put in these terms by a certain Buddha :
Now, I am certainly not Buda... as I do NOT hold onto my anger... I say, my negative thought towards those persons responsible for my negative thoughts(to myself), BUT I also say positive thoughts to those that "follow the rules" and make my ride safer... (to myself)… It just works for me..

EDIT; At the end of most rides, I feel like it was a perfect ride... whether it was or not... YAY...

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Old 08-19-19, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
Sorry but it is quite different than someone with AIDS spitting blood in your face.
Just wow...
Yeah, I'd go with more like a smoker blowing smoke right into your face. The health issues of it are fairly trivial.

What's worse with the rolling coal is it usually involves moving the truck in closer to the cyclist and then loudly gunning the engine, which can be pretty scary. That's obviously the intent, so it is text-book harassment. Turbulence pretty much dissipates the smoke immediately, but the close pass/loud noise is just nasty and dangerous.
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Old 08-19-19, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Yeah, I'd go with more like a smoker blowing smoke right into your face. The health issues of it are fairly trivial.

What's worse with the rolling coal is it usually involves moving the truck in closer to the cyclist and then loudly gunning the engine, which can be pretty scary. That's obviously the intent, so it is text-book harassment. Turbulence pretty much dissipates the smoke immediately, but the close pass/loud noise is just nasty and dangerous.
Wear a bicycle smog mask. They're effective only if you don't have facial hair and completely seal the face but the truckers won't know that.
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Old 08-19-19, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
Yeah, I'd go with more like a smoker blowing smoke right into your face. The health issues of it are fairly trivial.

What's worse with the rolling coal is it usually involves moving the truck in closer to the cyclist and then loudly gunning the engine, which can be pretty scary. That's obviously the intent, so it is text-book harassment. Turbulence pretty much dissipates the smoke immediately, but the close pass/loud noise is just nasty and dangerous.
That, actually IS the main aggressive part of the maneuver, the smoke is just the visible part of the F' U, you do not belong on the road mentality so you needs to stay off ,... MY ROAD, an actual mesage....
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Old 08-20-19, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Daniel4 View Post
Wear a bicycle smog mask. They're effective only if you don't have facial hair and completely seal the face but the truckers won't know that.
You missed the point --the fumes are the least of the threat. It's the close loud pass that is terrorizing.

Wear a mask in hot weather if you want, but no thanks.
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Old 08-20-19, 07:26 PM
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I left work today down a 1/2 mile descent to a top light. Luckily there were 4 cars ahead of me, but I could hear a dump truck idling behind me. When the light turned green, I was able to stick to the cars ahead of me and sustain 30mph to the next light. Where I ended up hearing a dump truck idling behind me. The light changed and it was a sprint to the next red light which is common for this stretch of road. After this it turns into a 4 lane divided road where I pull into the far right lane that has a bike lane. The light turns green and I have a little trouble getting my left foot clipped in. This $%$$hole in the dump truck rides right up on my back wheel and ends up clearing my left elbow by about 2 feet.
Had a great commute this morning only to almost get taken out by a dump truck of all things.
Rest of the commute was okay so no harm, no foul. I'm still breathing. Although the rain let loose about a mile from home and I got a little wetter.
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Old 08-21-19, 12:40 AM
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Harassment is somewhat subjective.

Far too many people get hung up on words, its the actions that matter.

Deliberate attempts to cause a crash should never be ignored.
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Old 08-21-19, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SHBR View Post
Harassment is somewhat subjective.

Far too many people get hung up on words, its the actions that matter.

Deliberate attempts to cause a crash should never be ignored.

Because words matter...a lot!
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What Is Workplace Harassment Under the Law? ... So as to be viewed as separation, the badgering must be founded on some secured characteristic. Under government law, those characteristics incorporate race, shading, national beginning, sex, pregnancy, age, religion, inability, and hereditary data.
Bodily injury or harm. Not necessarily harassment, but potentially more harmful.
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Old 08-21-19, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bakerjw View Post
I left work today down a 1/2 mile descent to a top light. Luckily there were 4 cars ahead of me, but I could hear a dump truck idling behind me. When the light turned green, I was able to stick to the cars ahead of me and sustain 30mph to the next light. Where I ended up hearing a dump truck idling behind me. The light changed and it was a sprint to the next red light which is common for this stretch of road. After this it turns into a 4 lane divided road where I pull into the far right lane that has a bike lane. The light turns green and I have a little trouble getting my left foot clipped in. This $%$$hole in the dump truck rides right up on my back wheel and ends up clearing my left elbow by about 2 feet.
Had a great commute this morning only to almost get taken out by a dump truck of all things.
Rest of the commute was okay so no harm, no foul. I'm still breathing. Although the rain let loose about a mile from home and I got a little wetter.
I got passed yesterday in the mountains by a big Cal Trans truck with a big snow plow on the front, that stuck out about 2 feet to the right. I'm going up a hill with the sun in my eyes. The guy in the truck is like, "LOL, I almost forgot about that plow sticking out" and swerves just slightly at the last second, giving me about 2 feet.

I'll take getting hit by a side mirror any day, over a snow plow.
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Old 08-21-19, 02:29 AM
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Because words matter...a lot!
Perhaps online they do, on the side of the road, its usually just noise.

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Perhaps online they do, on the side of the road, its usually just noise.
So how do you deal with it?
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Originally Posted by SHBR View Post
Harassment is somewhat subjective.

Far too many people get hung up on words, its the actions that matter.

Deliberate attempts to cause a crash should never be ignored.
Actions that fall short of deliberate attempts to cause a crash also matter. Blasting people with airhorns at short range, close-passing them, screaming at them at close range out of a passenger window and swerving so as to appear to be about to hit the cyclist cannot "objectively" be defended as serving any purpose but to intimidate and/or endanger the cyclist.

There's also what I would consider petty harassment--unnecessary honking when the cyclist is doing nothing wrong, yelling epithets, deliberately speeding up to cut off the cyclist at a driveway, etc. They may or may not qualify as legal harassment, but I certainly reserve the right to respond proportionally.
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Originally Posted by SHBR View Post
Perhaps online they do, on the side of the road, its usually just noise.
I'm pretty sure I'm going to take a threat at the side of the road more seriously than one I read online.
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Originally Posted by livedarklions View Post
I'm pretty sure I'm going to take a threat at the side of the road more seriously than one I read online.
Sticks and stones break bones, but words won't hurt me.

Threats, backed up by actual force are in another category than verbal face to face or online harassment.

Like I said before, harassment is subjective, and most of the time its just hot air.
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So how do you deal with it?
Best way is to say "I love you too" and blow kisses.
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And if you happen to look like Richard Simmons, all the more impact.

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Best way is to say "I love you too" and blow kisses.
Good. No point in escalating the situation. I, like a lot of others have suggested, just ignore it.
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Good. No point in escalating the situation. I, like a lot of others have suggested, just ignore it.
I love you too.
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Ignoring these events works some of the time, but with others, it just encourages more bad behavior. Harassment is against the law, and when it come packaged in an automobile used to further the threat, it becomes a felony.

You may be inclined to ignore it the first time, but never the second. Call the authorities and let them handle it. Keeping the roads safe (for everyone) is their duty, and their responsibility.

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Ignoring these events works some of the time, but with others, it just encourages more bad behavior. Harassment is against the law, and when it come packaged in an automobile used to further the threat, it becomes a felony.

You may be inclined to ignore it the first time, but never the second. Call the authorities and let them handle it. Keeping the roads save (for everyone) is their duty, and their responsibility.
Yes it's against the law and so is speeding, running amber lights when there is time and a safe distance to stop, rolling through stop signs and parking where signs indicate not to park there. However, in many other threads, bad driving has become the acceptable norm, others advise to cycle indoors instead in order to avoid the bullying and harassment. One can become a public avenger or have the energy and stamina to become a self-appointed advocate or join and advocacy group, but others don't have that kind of energy. So it's easier for people like me to get on with my day, enjoy the cycling as it's supposed to be and not let to one out of the hundreds of other drivers upset me or suck me into a confrontation.
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