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Old 08-23-19, 06:54 AM
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Any opinions on wheel-on smart trainers? Wife is interested and that would will help me justify it.
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I have a Kickr Snap. It does what it’s supposed to.
I also have a Snap. Works as expected.

I found it chewed through tires more quickly than my old cyclops dumb fluid trainer. Took a little trial an error but found a formula that seems to work:

Trainer specific tire
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Two full revolutions of the resistance knob after contact with the tire.
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All people really care about is that it works with Zwift right out of the box.
Maybe. The Zwift experience is enhanced when the TRAINER changes resistance for hills, drafting, etc...
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I think the main drawback to the wheel-on trainer has to be tire wear. Luckily, I have my old 1986 steel bike as a dedicated trainer bike that has not been on the road for a few years, and it has an old tire I installed so I don't care about the wear.

Certainly if you only have one road bike and will want to go frequently back/forth between road and trainer, it makes more sense to cough up the extra dough for a direct-drive trainer IMO.
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All of this trainer talk is depressing.
Too soon?
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Does anyone know how to do nested-multi quote?? I have seen it done but don't know how.
Just multi-quote and then cut/paste one inside of the other. Too much is a bit obnoxious, though; I always roll my eyes a bit at that guy that loves his multi-level quoting so much that he feels it needs to explain it in his sig.
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Someone on NextDoor was asking why some runners run in the street. It was predictably one-sided and lacking perspective, so I thought that I'd provide some. Yeah, that went well.
My main antagonist in ND sent me a PM pre-0600 this morning. I haven't read it. I'm just going to assume that she's thirsty.
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Just multi-quote and then cut/paste one inside of the other. Too much is a bit obnoxious, though; I always roll my eyes a bit at that guy that loves his multi-level quoting so much that he feels it needs to explain it in his sig.
Thanks. I won't bite off more than I can chew.
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Any opinions on wheel-on smart trainers? Wife is interested and that would will help me justify it.
Don’t have any experience with them, but Tacx vortex and Bushido can be had for $225-275, respectively, from some of the British shops (I think shipping is around $50-60).

As @datlas mentioned, dcrainmaker has quite a bit of reviews and annual <equipment> recommendations post that sometimes goes into way too much detail than I can handle. If the rumors of new trainers being debuted at Eurobike in a couple of weeks is true, we might be seeing increased number of direct drive trainers on Craigslist in a month or so. GPLama has a short video of brand specific “what to look for” when shopping for a used trainer if I remember correctly. Some of the newer trainers went through quite a bit of teething pains, so it’s good that he mentions the versions/build date ranges to avoid and such.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Just multi-quote and then cut/paste one inside of the other. Too much is a bit obnoxious, though; I always roll my eyes a bit at that guy that loves his multi-level quoting so much that he feels it needs to explain it in his sig.
What he does, to wit, sampling from multiple threads across years, is different, annoying, and entirely beyond my attention span to follow. Anyone who does that here is dead to me.

Actually, he's a very nice, smart, guy whose training pedigree overlaps mine a little.

And thanks, all, for the trainer advice.
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I use a Wahoo Kickr in the winter and the main drawback is the fixed cassette. First off, the cassette that came with the machine didn't mesh properly with any of the 4 bikes that i use it with so I put on an Ultegra cassette. Then I had to space to space all of my wheels to match so that shifting on each bike would be the same across the board. Once done, it works great but it was a pain originally to get all of my machines set up to use the same trainer with minimal fuss.
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Old 08-23-19, 07:20 AM
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Hey @MoAlpha

What are your goals for said trainer??
Vision-dimming, bowel-loosening, interval workouts for me and a nice virtual ride experience for Long-suffering Spouse.
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Old 08-23-19, 07:27 AM
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Vision-dimming, bowel-loosening, interval workouts for me and a nice virtual ride experience for Long-suffering Spouse.
I think those are attainable goals.

Budget???
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What he does, to wit, sampling from multiple threads across years, is different, annoying, and entirely beyond my attention span to follow. Anyone who does that here is dead to me.
And it's not as if a sequential multi-quote doesn't provide the same context 99.6% of the time.
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Old 08-23-19, 07:29 AM
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Budget???
Yes, please.

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Old 08-23-19, 07:31 AM
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I checked out my rear tire on the Domane last night. Yup, I think it'd be best to swap the tires now. It's the prudent thing to do. And it also happens to align with my impatience to try out new goods.
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I think those are attainable goals.

Budget???
A few hundreds.
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@datlas I tried to find a pic of the Cannondale bag, but couldn't. I would have it in hand if not for an odd occurrence. It was packed, with other goods, and stowed in the belly of the aircraft, for arrival, from Maine, for a July destination wedding. The official story says that the pilot found himself locked in the bathroom, for 45 minutes or so, out on the tarmac, despite all efforts to free him. The flight was subsequently cancelled. The next arriving flight which might be able to bring said stash arrives in October, I believe. They flew out this morning, hoping to sell their rental house, pay off a largish credit card debt (don't hold your breath), and return South.
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A few hundreds.
If you want to have the full interactive experience and have Zwift etc. control your trainer, you are looking at the entry-level wheel-on smart trainers. Last I checked you have several good choices for roughly $500. My recollection is that finding them on sale/discount may be a challenge, so you may end up paying close to MSRP.
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Some folks like other kinds, but I find the Tufo works very well. Tufo won't admit you can use it on other brands of tires, but I assure you, you can. The way you pull the release tape out from between the mounted tire and the glue tape, leaving the tire perfectly centered and the tire and rim completely clean is just amazing.
Talk to me about latex vs butyl and ride quality. I made it sound like I want to try it just because, but really I want to try it to see if the hype is real. So I want to get the best riding tire I can afford. I'm led to believe latex tubes give a better ride in both clinchers and tubulars. The daily pumping might just get me loosened up enough to proceed with a much needed stretching routine.
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And now I will go ride, on my favorite steed, the '79 Trek 930. Too bad it doesn't sport tubulars.
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If you want to have the full interactive experience and have Zwift etc. control your trainer, you are looking at the entry-level wheel-on smart trainers. Last I checked you have several good choices for roughly $500. My recollection is that finding them on sale/discount may be a challenge, so you may end up paying close to MSRP.
That's less than a few hundreds, in my book.

I have a dumb trainer with power. I also have a groove worn in the steel wheel. Not sure if I'm doing it wrong, but @WhyFi's old tire would be on my trainer wheel, and I wouldn't sweat it until I wear out another tire. If said spousal unit wants a trainer, don't mess around with a lesser device, get one you want, and you both will be happy with.
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If you want to have the full interactive experience and have Zwift etc. control your trainer, you are looking at the entry-level wheel-on smart trainers. Last I checked you have several good choices for roughly $500. My recollection is that finding them on sale/discount may be a challenge, so you may end up paying close to MSRP.
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That's less than a few hundreds, in my book.

I have a dumb trainer with power. I also have a groove worn in the steel wheel. Not sure if I'm doing it wrong, but @WhyFi's old tire would be on my trainer wheel, and I wouldn't sweat it until I wear out another tire. If said spousal unit wants a trainer, don't mess around with a lesser device, get one you want, and you both will be happy with.
Mainly, I want software-controllable resistance. This is what's going to make it fun for spouse. Other things, like more realistic feel are nice, but further down the list. 500 +/- is okay. As for tire wear, my dumb trainer experience with a trainer tire pumped rock hard and not too much pressure has been fairly good. The thing is wearing, but has another season.

Oh, another requirement is the ability to handle the 650b wheels on my wife's bike. They were put on to get 32 mm tires onto her old racing frame.
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Mainly, I want software-controllable resistance. This is what's going to make it fun for spouse. Other things, like more realistic feel are nice, but further down the list. 500 +/- is okay. As for tire wear, my dumb trainer experience with a trainer tire pumped rock hard and not too much pressure has been fairly good. The thing is wearing, but has another season.

Oh, another requirement is the ability to handle the 650b wheels on my wife's bike. They were put on to get 32 mm tires onto her old racing frame.
I've gone through two winters on the Snap. I don't have any experience with a direct-drive trainer to compare it to, but I don't feel like I'm missing out on the Zwift experience with it. It really feels like I'm riding up and down hills on Zwift and getting dropped on group rides for the ultra-realistic experience.

The biggest issue I have is having to clean my FD and replace my chain fairly frequently because a) my basement is damp and b) I sweat a lot. The FD starts sticking and I'm stuck in the big ring. I guess I should get one of those sweat thong thingies that stretches from your bars to the seat post but meh.
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Mainly, I want software-controllable resistance. This is what's going to make it fun for spouse. Other things, like more realistic feel are nice, but further down the list. 500 +/- is okay. As for tire wear, my dumb trainer experience with a trainer tire pumped rock hard and not too much pressure has been fairly good. The thing is wearing, but has another season.

Oh, another requirement is the ability to handle the 650b wheels on my wife's bike. They were put on to get 32 mm tires onto her old racing frame.
Again, I am fairly sure that any of the "entry level" smart trainers like Kickr SNAP or CycleOps M2 are reasonable, you may want to verify they accept 650b wheels but I suspect they all do.
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