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Old 08-08-19, 04:14 AM
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Remember when the Internet was cool?

You know? Like, pre-2005? Before everyone started getting offended all the time? Before everyone turned into a frothing political idiot?

It seems way back when, we had much more freedom online to say whatever we wanted, and most people had a sense of humour.

Now it's just people getting offended by the most mild things, and wanting to block this or report that. When did it just turn into a collection of safe spaces?
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Originally Posted by Chris L View Post
You know? Like, pre-2005? Before everyone started getting offended all the time? Before everyone turned into a frothing political idiot?

It seems way back when, we had much more freedom online to say whatever we wanted, and most people had a sense of humour.

Now it's just people getting offended by the most mild things, and wanting to block this or report that. When did it just turn into a collection of safe spaces?
OMG. Overreact much?

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Remember when all you could do was type and read words on the internet... oh man, the days of gopher and archie and usenet... man, I miss those days.
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Remember when all you could do was type and read words on the internet... oh man, the days of gopher and archie and usenet... man, I miss those days.
Remember when your dog/cat would knock the phone off the receiver in the middle of reading something?
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Old 08-08-19, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Remember when your dog/cat would knock the phone off the receiver in the middle of reading something?
Or someone would pick up the other extension... oh man, the 300 baud days. Nothing like ascii art, eh?
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Old 08-08-19, 05:23 AM
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The internet was never good.



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I remember upgrading to a 300 baud modem than didn't require the handset to be in a cradle and BBSs. We went absolutely bonkers when one of the BBSs installed a second "node". I can't speak for anyone else but in my book the internet is way cool. I have bikes that I wouldn't have had access to, friends from this very forum who I've gotten to know and ride with and manufacturers have had to make sure they deliver responsible and safe products lest they be roasted on the internet. I like it a lot, but that's just me.
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Old 08-08-19, 06:11 AM
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Al Gore never should have invented the damn thing.
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Old 08-08-19, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
I like it a lot, but that's just me.
The best thing about the Internet is that it eliminated the embarrassing trip to the video store checkout counter with adult films.
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Old 08-08-19, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris L View Post

It seems way back when, we had much more freedom online to say whatever we wanted, and most people had a sense of humour.

Now it's just people getting offended by the most mild things, and wanting to block this or report that. When did it just turn into a collection of safe spaces?
There are, I'm sure, places where this a problem. But it isn't one I encounter. Of course, I don't spend a lot of time writing for audiences I wouldn't be talking to IRL. You have to stay in your own movie.
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Old 08-08-19, 07:05 AM
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The net has come a long way. I remember during the late 90's and early 2000's, processor speeds were doubling every 18 months, video cards, video games, and 3D technology were marching along at a dizzying pace. USB, HDMI, LCD monitors, broadband internet speeds increasing, wifi, smartphones.

But since 2005 or so, most of the really rapid technology advancement has slowed to a crawl. Processors are just slightly faster each year, hard drives slightly bigger, and every few years Microsoft comes out with a more bloated OS that requires newer better hardware just to run as fast as the previous version did. I dunno what happened (the economy tanking?) but needless to say, I'm not glued to this stuff any more.

The net has become boring and over-censored. Anonymity is disappearing except for the most determined people, throwaway email accounts harder to get, and there are more ads than ever. Message boards are no longer cool, and pretty much everything clever or original that can be said has already been said by someone else 10,000 times. The edgy parts of the net are slowly disappearing. At this rate, in 10 more years, it'll be like prime time TV on NBC, ABC, or CBS.
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As in most cases, it is not the technology that is to be blamed, it is the people using it.
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It was an expensive hobby. Now it's a common tool.
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Old 08-08-19, 08:01 AM
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alt.flame?
It was the same then.
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Old 08-08-19, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post


The net has come a long way. I remember during the late 90's and early 2000's,
Is that you in your parents' basement?

Seriously...My department got the Internet at work around '96 or so. We planned to use it to share documents/filings in connection with a huge acquisition we were involved in. I remember our law librarian showing me how to search (IIRC) Yahoo! for any subject I wanted. I was downsized in April of '99. Rode across the country and then some that summer. During the trip a guy in our group told me that I could get a free email account with Hotmail and use computers at public libraries. I had no idea that was even a thing. I didn't bother, but I did get a Yahoo! email account before I went to Andalucia, Spain to tour the following winter. I found Internet cafes in a couple of places. In one coastal town there was a bar with a coin-op Internet kiosk. The connections were SOOOOO slow there. You'd type an email, hit the send button and sometimes have to wait a minute or longer for it to go through. Things sure have changed.
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Old 08-08-19, 09:14 AM
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The local hiking community blames Instagram for everything wrong with the world.

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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
The model honing community blames Instagram for everything wrong with the world.
I only hone supermodels myself, but I digress.

This internet stuff used to be exciting, cutting-edge, a way to gain an advantage over the uninitiated, and the place to be if you were "with it". Nowadays, it's become a necessity of life. And a huge nuisance to deal with, just one more source of stress.

I moved recently and had no internet and no cell phone for a week. I practically went nuts work-wise, could not function AT ALL. My stress from dealing with this went off the charts. It's expected that everyone these days has a cell phone (and not just any cell phone, a "smartphone") voice mail, high speed internet, the ability to retrieve emails while away from home, the ability to text, multitask, etc. It's no longer optional.

To me, it's as if everyone is being forced to become smokers and heavy drinkers, as a condition of being minimally qualified to perform our jobs. This damned internet has gone from "useful tool", to "slave shackles" within the course of about 10-15 years.
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It's the advertising business model. More eyeballs = more money, which compels catering to the masses, catering to the lowest common denominator, catering to pop culture. The business model is to push inanity.
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OP has definitely recorded himself while driving and wearing tactical sunglasses, ranting against immigrants.
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The model honing community blames Instagram for everything wrong with the world.
You're a babbling idiot.
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Yeah, when I was a mod on a couple of niche hobbyist sites, usually when some people complained about the sites becoming less interesting, or too heavily "censored," what they really meant was they were upset because they couldn't behave like jackasses with impunity.

Or they had boundary issues and refused to stick to the off topic forum for OT stuff. They'd try to sneak in commentary on hot button issues into unrelated conversations, then whine about "censorship" instead of simply observing the basic guidelines for every forum.

The internet has become a little less accessible and a little less diverse or interesting the past decade. I've done freelance and independent investigative journalism occasionally over the years since leaving the newspaper business. There was a time in the early to mid 2000s when it was easy to research almost anything, without diving into the dark web. And for awhile Google cached practically everything and made it fairly easily accessible. That was great for documenting abuses by public figures, and even for catching news media sites altering stories without notifying readers. I had utilities that would screenshot or download full pages either at timed intervals or whenever a new post appeared or a change was detected on a page. This was very handy for catching public figures lying, or documenting suspicious activities by news media sites that appeared to be caving in to pressure from publishers or other agencies.

But now it's much more difficult to access Google cache. Many of the tools we used to use have been disabled.

And with the influence of Twitter and Facebook, the tone of social discourse has taken a deep dive into the cesspool. Up until a decade ago most racism, misogyny and hate speech was posted anonymously or under pseudonyms. Now people are proud to flaunt their most despicable behaviors, even providing selfie videos to illustrate how horrible they can be.

I'm not sure whether this counts as irony, but around a decade ago a Fox News affiliate described 4chan as the "internet hate machine." And it was a bit rowdy, although there was a certain freedom in that anarchy that was occasionally abused. But Facebook and Twitter have long since superseded 4chan as the internet hate machines. And instead of teenage and 20something Anons, now it's mostly middle age and elderly people on Facebook spewing venom under their real identities. And 8chan replaced 4chan as the hate machine for the younger crowd, at least until it was booted by Cloudflare last week in the aftermath of the El Paso shootings.

Meanwhile on Facebook, a middle aged Texas plumber who used to live here (since moved elsewhere in the state) freely posts suggestions to massacre people in homeless camps. Bug-eyed grandmas from the Midwest say they think Democrats and libruls should be executed for treason. All under their real names.

Freedom is expensive and it ain't always amusing.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
The local hiking community blames Instagram for everything wrong with the world.
They're not far off. The social influence behavioral control of Facebook, Google, Yahoo and just a few others affect the attitudes of many tens of millions of people in the U.S. alone.

In Senate testimony recently, an expert under oath said that Facebook alone could selectively influence 2.6 million (conservatively) to 10 million (likely) votes ON ELECTION DAY in national races.

Now it's ideology, political power, advertising, thought policing through directed search results, suppression of speech...frightening. A brave new world, indeed...
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Originally Posted by indyfabz View Post
Al Gore never should have invented the damn thing.
Wonder if we can get a class action suit going against him...
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Well it sure too a long time to post the ole manifesto back in the day...
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Originally Posted by eja_ bottecchia View Post
As in most cases, it is not the technology that is to be blamed, it is the people using it.
i see it as just the lack of self esteem, self control and emotional intelligence….

and an ignore feature on a site helps!!!!...a good way to ignore ignorance.
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