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Giving up Ti and going back to carbon

Old 07-16-19, 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by colnago62 View Post
This is a good point to remember. Sprint bikes are also made of carbon and they are designed to handle 1,000 plus watts.
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These bikes we are seeing broken to bits didn't assplode, they broke in wrecks. Any ultralight frame would be significantly damaged by the same wreck, but it might not look as dramatic a a CF failure.
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Old 07-16-19, 09:39 PM
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What about heavy carbon frames, like 1.2kg?

Tough as buggery. Got an old Tarmac with a bit of slight impact damage above the FD, still going strong after years. I'll take a pound of carbon over a pound of anything less expensive. More expensive, I'd sell it and buy carbon.

Except maybe 3D-printed ti...
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Old 07-16-19, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Kimmo View Post
Except maybe 3D-printed ti...
3D printed to your individual geometry, thats the only Ti bike I'll buy.
Hurry up technology, before I get too old.
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Old 07-17-19, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
The Madone seems an odd choice for you, though it looks very nice. For the disc version, the lowest component level appears to be Ultegra and I'm pretty sure I recall from another recent thread that you had compared and decided Ultegra and DA provided no functional benefit. Nevertheless, New Bike Day is always fun, be sure to post pics and initial impressions
Not really an odd choice my first bike was a madone with full dura ace 7800 group brand new actually. If you read the thread though I did state carbon bike with full Ultegra disc. Obviously I'd prefer 6-4 Ti with disc, but we are talking well over 4k when a new trek madone is only $1900 closeout with full Ultegra disc.
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Originally Posted by MyTi View Post
Not really an odd choice my first bike was a madone with full dura ace 7800 group brand new actually. If you read the thread though I did state carbon bike with full Ultegra disc. Obviously I'd prefer 6-4 Ti with disc, but we are talking well over 4k when a new trek madone is only $1900 closeout with full Ultegra disc.
I am not in the USA, but am surprised that you can get one that cheap over there?
They certainly cost a lot more here in NZ.
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Originally Posted by znomit View Post
3D printed to your individual geometry, thats the only Ti bike I'll buy.
Hurry up technology, before I get too old.
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Old 07-17-19, 03:41 AM
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Still no word from OP as to why he is ditching his beloved Ti bike and shelling out a couple grand for no other reason than adding disc brakes?
What did I miss?
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Old 07-17-19, 05:00 AM
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Wow! The cheapest Madone disc lists for $4699.99, so $1900 is quite a bargain for a new bike. Smart shopper Lets see it!
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
Still no word from OP as to why he is ditching his beloved Ti bike and shelling out a couple grand for no other reason than adding disc brakes?
What did I miss?
Your reading comprehension may be as deficient as mine. He said he needs discs because he often rides in fog.
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Old 07-17-19, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Your reading comprehension may be as deficient as mine. He said he needs discs because he often rides in fog.
Of course!
my bad
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Old 07-17-19, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by seypat View Post
Lighten up. Evidently, the word play went right over your head. Read it again. It has nothing to do with your bike and everything to do with the brand name.
No. I got that (predictable) part.

Go back and read post #39 . The issue of cost was raised.
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Old 07-17-19, 05:58 AM
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Moving forward, the interesting question is how long before the Madone is replaced by another bike? What reasons will be given? The OP has been chastised heavily, but the same can be be said for anyone that has purchased a new bike in the last 2 years. What's going to be the reason for the new bike a few years down the line? Another gear or two? A frame that's 1/4lb lighter? Whatever it is people will be able to rationalize it just like the OP did. Heck, I'm guessing that some of the ones doing the hardest chastising have already got that new steed in mind. They just haven't talked themselves into it yet. That is the way it goes. That's what keeps the industry humming along.
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You could but a new Lynskey Ti frame with disks for that price.
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Old 07-17-19, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by MyTi View Post
a new trek madone is only $1900 closeout with full Ultegra disc.
Where are you seeing this price?
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Old 07-17-19, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by spokes5678 View Post
I have an '03 vortex that I bought new in 04, it cost an arm and a leg.It replaced a sweet ritchey logic that weighed a couple

of pounds more.

It's a sweet riding bike but has limitations.

I can break any bike and have broken aluminum mtbs in the past.

The litespeed broke under the head tube and lite speed replaced the head tube for $500 .

What you don't see in the article about racing litespeeds in the tour and classics is that every single rider complained

the bikes were a noodle.


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Every single rider...you know a lot of pros lol the vortex pre 2005 are incredibly stiff actually if you ever rode one. Iíve ridden noodle frames like the Motobecane Ti, Seven, etc. these are more like every day comfort road bikes that are not suitable for racing or those that desire better power transfer.

I find this statement surprising. Because one, not many riders ever rode Ti in the tour. Lance won a time trial on a Litespeed frame that was rebranded Trek in 1999 from what I read. I think Mcewan won stage 17 and rode an off the shelf 03 vortex to win it all. He won the green jersey that year. I highly doubt that frame rode like a noodle as the vortex, from my experience is very stiff. I can't however speak to the 03 model. The 03 model does look similar to the 05 with the diamond shaped top tube/down tube.





2003 vortex



In fact I'm not sure that is an 03 vortex from this article. I thought it was the 05 that had the bladed chain stays.

Well according to this article McEwan rode an 02 vortex and on this one the chain stays are not bladed:http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/tech/...es/lotto.shtml


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Old 07-17-19, 11:08 AM
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Every since we legalized marijuana, a lot of people look like the guy holding the frame in that picture.
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That's what keeps the industry humming along.
Glad I am not part of that process. My Engin replaced a 10 Y.O. steel IF that was rusting around the head tube and never quite fit me right. I only bought the IF because the Colnago DreamPlus I had bought 3+ years before cracked after the warranty had expired.

Aside from the two LHT's I bought in '08 and '11 (the first one was stolen near the end of '10), that's been it for my bike buying, and I am not eyeing anything else.
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Suppose to pick up the Madone but questioning if disc brakes are worth it and just live with inferior rim brake performance in wet conditions. Itís always foggy in sf though year round it seems
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How are you going to kill people without disc brakes? Doesn't compute.
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How are you going to kill people without disc brakes? Doesn't compute.
This is a myth or have people died from disc brakes in a crash
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This is a myth or have people died from disc brakes in a crash
Sometimes pros aim their crashes to send flying death rotors to take out their competition.
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Sometimes pros aim their crashes to send flying death rotors to take out their competition.
You don't hear about it because Big Disc controls the media.
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Suppose to pick up the Madone but questioning if disc brakes are worth it and just live with inferior rim brake performance in wet conditions. Itís always foggy in sf though year round it seems
Well then... Simple question- Did you buy a Madone as you stated in post 90, or not? If so, maybe you will share where you were able to find one for $1900.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Well then... Simple question- Did you buy a Madone as you stated in post 90, or not? If so, maybe you will share where you were able to find one for $1900.
I put a deposit down. Obviously I could still back out. It all depends on how this thread goes and if there is a compelling argument to keep the Ti with rim brakes.
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