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Old 07-09-16, 06:58 PM
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Hey Bianchigirll, where ya been hiding out lately??? Haven't seen you post here in a few months, and was "worried" about you! glad to see you back on the forum.

Working too much and I don't really have a computer right now.
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Originally Posted by styggno1 View Post
Hi Bianchigirl,
Yes, I believe you need to read thru the posts and click at the links. I do not know which "black and green" you mean but they both have their original paint. There is also no miss labeling when it comes to "Caurus" as you will see if reading it all thru.

I would be very interested in getting the serials of the frames you have or have had - if it is possible. It would add to the puzzle.
I'll have to look for pics, but I have 2 road frames and a cyclocross frame that was originally sold in Europe, it was called Normal or maybe Boarala.

One of the road frames I bought new in '90 as a frame, the other I bought off a forum member I think 3rd hand.

I picked up the cross frame only a few years ago from someone who bought used from Europe.
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Old 08-15-16, 05:16 PM
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Yet a serial number found. This time in an old ebay auction. Italian seller. Pics by "Ciclicorsa".

No F287. Possible respray. Decal on head tube, plastic wire guide under the BB, brake wire entering and exiting on top.




Updated list.

F030
F058
F136 (added 7/7 2016 found at "vintage art work" on flickr)
F.243 (added 5/5 2016 - and also have a dot as 254)
F.254 (has a dot between F and number)
F287 (added 16/8 2016 -found in old ebay auction)
F370
F382 (mine)
F403 the one in the PDF-file at http://www.ciclimasini.com/images/90...i%20Caurus.pdf

BCOC157
BCOC360
BCOC515 (the O probably stamped at an angle - making it look like BCCC)
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I currently own a Proto 55cm ( BCOC112 ) This was a U.S. model that was all celeste. I repainted it to replicate my older 1990ish all black Proto with the euro logo on the downtube. BCOC104 was stolen in about 93. I also had BCOC115 but it had cracked on the chain stay so I received 104 as the replacement. All 3 I have owned had the machined Bianchi head tube (which was also used on many other high end Bianchi models). They all 3 had internal TT bottom/top cable routing and internal rear der chainstay cable routing. 1 frame had 2 sets of bottle braze ons and all 3 had plastic cable guides under the B.B. shell.
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I currently own a Proto 55cm ( BCOC112 ) This was a U.S. model that was all celeste. I repainted it to replicate my older 1990ish all black Proto with the euro logo on the downtube. BCOC104 was stolen in about 93. I also had BCOC115 but it had cracked on the chain stay so I received 104 as the replacement. All 3 I have owned had the machined Bianchi head tube (which was also used on many other high end Bianchi models). They all 3 had internal TT bottom/top cable routing and internal rear der chainstay cable routing. 1 frame had 2 sets of bottle braze ons and all 3 had plastic cable guides under the B.B. shell.
Hi scooterpants!

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I have been occupied at work for a while and that has a negative impact on hobbies...

Thank you for your valuable input.

The updated list:

F030
F058
F136 (added 7/7 2016 found at "vintage art work" on flickr)
F.243 (added 5/5 2016 - and also have a dot as 254)
F.254 (has a dot between F and number)
F287 (added 16/8 2016 -found in old ebay auction)
F370
F382 (mine)
F403 the one in the PDF-file at http://www.ciclimasini.com/images/90...i%20Caurus.pdf

BCOC104 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants) Stolen in 1993 - if you see it - let scooterpants know.
BCOC112 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC115 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC157
BCOC360
BCOC515 (the O probably stamped at an angle - making it look like BCCC)
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Old 12-13-16, 02:14 PM
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A lot to do at work lately and the rest of the time I have spent on some other hobbies than vintage/semi vintage racing bicycles.

Today, though, I browsed ebay and did my usual round. And got a hit.

Since I found this here on bikeforums:

http://www.ciclimasini.com/images/90...i%20Caurus.pdf

- with this picture:



- and decided to go original with my Proto Caurus, I have been seaching for that needle in a haystack. The handlebar tape. Chances of finding the black to green fade seemed slim. There has been a lot of vintage fade/shade Ciclolinea/pelten/Bike Ribbon/Ambrosio tape for sale but all in X colour to white fade. Today I got lucky though.

Today I bought all five available sets of black to green.

Sellers pic. What looks like white is just the tape glue strip. They are confirmed as black to green.



I actually consider this as the most difficult part to get hold of for this restoration. Of course I could have used black or green bar tape - which is easy to find. But it would not have felt half as nice.

This is nice.

Verde Germoglio - here I come!

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A Swedish guy with the nick DawWwes has bought Sönkes Caurus Proto (mentioned on page one) and made a very nice job on building it up. Very good looking original celeste Almarc leather, Bianchi panto stem, C-record parts, Campagnolo bottle, etc.

Pic with DawWwes permission.



Previous build as reference.


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Old 01-02-17, 08:52 AM
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Got my bar tape home and today I had an hour to spend in the hobby-shop.

The tape must have been made for these. It is a nice match. Only showing the all green portion of the tape but that is the important part.

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Found one more Proto serial number here » Registro E. Bianchi ?CORSA?

Interesting that they have apparently used my list but only quoted "internet" as source (and then there is a rant in the end on not copying the list, etc - at least not for commercial use as I understand).

The updated (17-01-2017) list:

F030
F058
F136 (added 7/7 2016 found at "vintage art work" on flickr)
F.243 (added 5/5 2016 - and also has a dot as 254)
F.254 (has a dot between F and number)
F287 (added 16/8 2016 -found in old ebay auction)
F326 (added 17/1 2017 - found at registrostoricocicli.com)
F370
F382 (mine)
F403 the one in the PDF-file at http://www.ciclimasini.com/images/90...i%20Caurus.pdf

BCOC104 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants) Stolen in 1993 - if you see it - let scooterpants know.
BCOC112 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC115 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC157
BCOC360
BCOC515 (the O probably stamped at an angle - making it look like BCCC)

There are pics of the added F326, owned by a M. Asciutti, here:
» E.Bianchi.272

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Old 01-18-17, 12:35 PM
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While it isn't a Proto here is something you might find interesting, a 1990 or maybe 1991 Boarala cyclocross built with MAX Off Road tubing.

It looks a lot different now I was still noodling with bar/stem setup and cable routing.
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That is a rare and nice frame. Thanks!

I would really appreciate if you would like to add your "90 Proto" serial to the list. If googling Bianchi Proto - this thread pops up first. That would, over time and with more serials, make it possible to make somewhat accurate time line and of course also be a reference point for restorations.
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Another BCOC found on this site:

telaio Bianchi Columbus Max | BDC-Forum.it

Sellers pictures and I get the serial to BCOC359 - but I am uncertain on/of the last digit - it might also be 353. Have a look at the last pic and give your opinion.

What is extra interesting here is that it is "in the nude". TIG welded except for seatlug and small bits. Wish the pics were bigger.








The updated (28-02-2017) list:

F030
F058
F136 (added 7/7 2016 found at "vintage art work" on flickr)
F.243 (added 5/5 2016 - and also has a dot as 254)
F.254 (has a dot between F and number)
F287 (added 16/8 2016 -found in old ebay auction)
F326 (added 17/1 2017 - found at registrostoricocicli.com)
F370
F382 (mine)
F403 the one in the PDF-file at http://www.ciclimasini.com/images/90...i%20Caurus.pdf

BCOC104 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants) Stolen in 1993 - if you see it - let scooterpants know.
BCOC112 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC115 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC157
BCOC359 (last digit might also be a 3) (added 28/2 2017 - from telaio Bianchi Columbus Max | BDC-Forum.it)
BCOC360
BCOC515 (the O probably stamped at an angle - making it look like BCCC)

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Originally Posted by c_c_rider View Post
fyi in the first editions of the PROTO (~1989/1991) were not made of MAX, they were made of MS (Multi Shape) tubing. MS was made of cro-mo and the precursor to MAX which was Nivacrom. Once MAX came out the Reparto Corse builders switched over to that. Oh and yes, they did have Shimano dropouts (Campy did not make a semi-horizontal dropout at that time so the Reparto Corse guys when with Shimanos). Mine is from 1990/91 and is made of MS.
Are you sure they were Proto: s? If you look thru this thread you will find a link to an article in Bicycle of July 1988 with a Proto in MAX. I guess the time to go to print in those days were at least 3-4 months. I have never seen mentioned in any catalog or magazine a Proto not built from MAX tubing. In fact I have never seen a Bianchi in MS tubing at all - Proto or other. That does of course not mean there are not any - it just means it would be very interesting to see yours.

PS - and the serial number of course... ;-)

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Hi that 1990 Proto on 2nd floor is mine, the serial number is F208
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Hi that 1990 Proto on 2nd floor is mine, the serial number is F208
Hi bloodytea, thank you for contributing. I do however not get your "that 1990...2nd floor". Where and which bike are you referring to?
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Hi bloodytea, thank you for contributing. I do however not get your "that 1990...2nd floor". Where and which bike are you referring to?
#1 means 1st floor, #2 means 2nd floor. So far so on.
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Today I found this Proto Caurus on an Italian site called “Oldbici”. It is said to be NOS but I believe not – but very close. It has at least had wheels attached to it at some point. That aside it is the first good pics I have found of the pink/black paint job version. No pictures of serial number though – I am going to contact them and hear if they would let me know it.

The examples of pink/black ones I have seen have decals on the head tube – not an engraved logo. Even if I do not really like my germoglio green/black paint scheme I am happy I do not have this color combo…


Pictures by Oldbici (without their permission)





One that I have shown earlier but that the photobucket-scandal has erased from here (at some point I will try to reconstruct the picture posts in this thread. I have to transfer the pictures to flickr first though).

Picture from net.

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That is pretty and looks my size.
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A Gewiss coloured one is up for sale in Italy. The seller has used some of my text which I have pointed out to him.

bianchi proto 1990 columbus MAX campagnolo c record collectible | eBay

The serial looks like BCOC 360 but it is not clear. My list already includes that number from another bike and I have a picture of that frame - in which it looks like it has been repainted. Either I have read that one wrong or the one in the auction.

I have added some serials to the list from earlier input above:

F030
F041 (added 2017 10 13 owned by c c rider)
F058
F136 (added 7/7 2016 found at "vintage art work" on flickr)
F208 (added 2017 10 13 - owner - bloodytea.
F.243 (added 5/5 2016 - and also has a dot as 254)
F.254 (has a dot between F and number)
F287 (added 16/8 2016 -found in old ebay auction)
F326 (added 17/1 2017 - found at registrostoricocicli.com)
F370
F382 (mine)
F403 the one in the PDF-file at http://www.ciclimasini.com/images/90...i%20Caurus.pdf

BCOC104 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants) Stolen in 1993 - if you see it - let scooterpants know.
BCOC112 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC115 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC157
BCOC359 (last digit might also be a 3) (added 28/2 2017 - from telaio Bianchi Columbus Max | BDC-Forum.it)
BCOC360
BCOC515 (the O probably stamped at an angle - making it look like BCCC)

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Very interesting. Thank you for posting the pictures. It is always difficult to say for certain anything about these old bikes but from what I have gathered of info and pictures I believe your frame is earlier than 1990-91 and that it might have been repainted somewhere along the way making the tubing decal less relevant. The metallic/pearl paint colour and decals look very much like a bit later (1993 catalog) and the fork looks exactly like the ones normally put on Minimax frames (also 1993).



Your frame on the other hand has all the tell tale signs of a very early Bianchi Proto. Brake cable guides on TT, brazed tunnels under the BB shell, etc. Here are pictures (stolen from net) of number F030 - just some numbers apart from yours.






Please let me know if you have additional info - like you being the original owner to your bike, etc.
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I am glad to be the bearer of good news and at the same time sad to be the bearer of bad news.

Bad news first?
1. Shape of tubes (not bad at all - actually)
I wrote earlier that I have never seen a Bianchi Proto frame in anything but MAX tubing. Had my doubts about a Proto being made of MS (Multi shape) tubing. MS tubing has almost no similarity with MAX when it comes to shape/form and size. If you do not believe me – google and you will see. I also wrote earlier there was nothing certain about Italian bike manufacture back then – meaning “who am I to tell you what frame you got”… Which I do now anyway but I hope that you will not take it the wrong way. That is a MAX tubed frame you have got there.

2. Repainted.
If you take a close look at your Columbus tubing sticker you will see the remainders of the text “Riverniciato” in white. It translates to repainted or redone.



Good news!
You have a frame that is made out of MAX tubing! You have got the second earliest Bianchi Proto frame known as of yet. It also has a braze on tab for a number plate under the top tube, behind the head tube, which might be a pointer to it being intended for actual racing. Congratulations!

I hope the good news overshadows the bad and that you do not feel the need to “shoot” the bearer.

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I wish I had a picture of it, but I did sell one of those MiniMAX frame sets. It was a dream sale. The Customer asked me to price out 3 top bike options for him. I did a De Rosa something, a Lemond (I think TSX) and the MiniMAX all with Record Ergo. He finally went with the Bianchi since the frame was slightly lighter. It's funny that few other builders seemed to use it butjust used the EL OS instead.
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I have added a serial to the list:

The lowest serial as of yet F020. Number plate holder, cable holders on top o tt, etc - this is an early one... Wish it would have been in my size!




F020 (added 2018 12 15)
F030
F041 (added 2017 10 13 owned by c c rider)
F058
F136 (added 7/7 2016 found at "vintage art work" on flickr)
F208 (added 2017 10 13 - owner - bloodytea.
F.243 (added 5/5 2016 - and also has a dot as 254)
F.254 (has a dot between F and number)
F287 (added 16/8 2016 -found in old ebay auction)
F326 (added 17/1 2017 - found at registrostoricocicli.com)
F370
F382 (mine)
F403 the one in the PDF-file at http://www.ciclimasini.com/images/90...i%20Caurus.pdf

BCOC104 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants) Stolen in 1993 - if you see it - let scooterpants know.
BCOC112 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC115 (added 25/10 2016 courtesy of scooterpants)
BCOC157
BCOC359 (last digit might also be a 3) (added 28/2 2017 - from telaio Bianchi Columbus Max BDC-Forum.it)
BCOC360
BCOC515 (the O probably stamped at an angle - making it look like BCCC)

Edit - When looking thru this thread I notice that some posts have been deleted. Mine are left but the other parts is missing. Makes it difficult to follow when reading I presume...

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Were all the Proto/MAX frames numbered sequentially and shipped where ever or did each market start with 01? I'll have to check for the exact numbers but both of mine are around 60.
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Whoever is auctioning off that 56 is doing rather well, and thankfully past what I would be able to spend on it (no empty hooks in the garage!). I'd like to think that this thread has gotten at least a few more people interested in this model! Thanks, Stygg for pointing it out!
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