I need a new helmet. Why so expensive?
09-09-20, 06:24 AM
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Interesting. It doesn't prove your claim, but its interesting.
I think an average of more than 640 people 15 or older fall off of a bike each day, which would disprove your claim.
But really, I just wanted to post that gif because I laugh every time I think of that SNL commercial.
I think an average of more than 640 people 15 or older fall off of a bike each day, which would disprove your claim.
But really, I just wanted to post that gif because I laugh every time I think of that SNL commercial.
I didnt come up with that stat, Maelochs effectively did. He claimed there is a higher chance of falling in a bathroom than on a bike and provided a link that states there are an average of 640 falls per day in bathrooms by people 15 or older.
I say that across the US, there are more than 640 falls off a bike per day by people 15 or older. Mountain biking, BMX, road riding, gravel riding, downhill MTB, etc etc etc.
I say that across the US, there are more than 640 falls off a bike per day by people 15 or older. Mountain biking, BMX, road riding, gravel riding, downhill MTB, etc etc etc.
Actually .... "A new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that approximately 234,000 people ages 15 and older were treated in an American emergency department for non-fatal bathroom-related injuries" is sort of what it says.
I have definitely crashed many times .... occasionally at stoplights because of foot-retention issues .... but I would rather die on the pavement than go to the emergency room because of a clip-fall. I might not have skill, but I have pride.
I have definitely crashed many times .... occasionally at stoplights because of foot-retention issues .... but I would rather die on the pavement than go to the emergency room because of a clip-fall. I might not have skill, but I have pride.
You missed that. Maybe a lot of people fall off their bikes, but almost none of them end up in emergency rooms.
On another hand I thought you were just sort of joking, like I was.
Whatever.
09-09-20, 06:56 AM
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Yeah, I was hoping that you would actually read this part: "A new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that approximately 234,000 people ages 15 and older were treated in an American emergency department for non-fatal bathroom-related injuries"
You missed that. Maybe a lot of people fall off their bikes, but almost none of them end up in emergency rooms.
On another hand I thought you were just sort of joking, like I was.
Whatever.
You missed that. Maybe a lot of people fall off their bikes, but almost none of them end up in emergency rooms.
On another hand I thought you were just sort of joking, like I was.
Whatever.
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09-09-20, 07:23 PM
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If you guys fall down and hit your helmet on the asphalt/concrete/whatever, do you typically replace helmet (even if it doesn't appear to have any physical damage)?
09-09-20, 09:25 PM
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Yeah, I was hoping that you would actually read this part: "A new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that approximately 234,000 people ages 15 and older were treated in an American emergency department for non-fatal bathroom-related injuries"
You missed that. Maybe a lot of people fall off their bikes, but almost none of them end up in emergency rooms.
On another hand I thought you were just sort of joking, like I was.
Whatever.
You missed that. Maybe a lot of people fall off their bikes, but almost none of them end up in emergency rooms.
On another hand I thought you were just sort of joking, like I was.
Whatever.
I'm really not following.
You made a claim, I doubted it, and you defended it with a statistic that doesnt support your claim or refute my doubt. And now you are pointing to another part of an article that also doesn't support your claim or refute my doubt.
Oh well.
09-09-20, 09:25 PM
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Since at least the early 70's, failing to consider the severity of injuries incurred by bicyclists in various types of falls, crashes, and so-called accidents, has been a standard procedure for some self appointed/self proclaimed bicycling safety experts who use such faulty risk analysis techniques to draw (often self serving) conclusions about bicycling risk and appropriate risk reduction countermeasures.
09-10-20, 10:17 AM
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Counting only injuries "severe" enough to result in an ER visit is a simple attempt to filter out the "falls" that result in no injury or minor injuries from consideration in order to more accurately evaluate the risk of the activity under discussion. But it is better than giving every "fall" an equal value in risk evaluation, regardless of the injury severity incurred as in "I say that across the US, there are more than 640 falls off a bike per day by people 15 or older."
People who do not understand how to evaluate risk will often quote data or factoids from so-called "studies" or even their own guesswork that is based on the use of vague undefined metrics like "falls" or "crashes" and give no consideration to the severity level of the injuries that typically occur from various types of "falls" and "crashes".
If you care to read more discussion that includes promotion for use of specific bicycling equipment or bicycling technique that rely on the use of faulty risk analysis "studies" that among other problems make no distinction between falls that result in boo-boo injuries that can be treated with a band-aid, and catastrophic injuries, try the Vehicular Cycling or Helmet sticky threads.
09-10-20, 10:31 AM
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Correct, you are not following.
Counting only injuries "severe" enough to result in an ER visit is a simple attempt to filter out the "falls" that result in no injury or minor injuries from consideration in order to more accurately evaluate the risk of the activity under discussion. But it is better than giving every "fall" an equal value in risk evaluation, regardless of the injury severity incurred as in "I say that across the US, there are more than 640 falls off a bike per day by people 15 or older."
People who do not understand how to evaluate risk will often quote data or factoids from so-called "studies" or even their own guesswork that is based on the use of vague undefined metrics like "falls" or "crashes" and give no consideration to the severity level of the injuries that typically occur from various types of "falls" and "crashes".
If you care to read more discussion that includes promotion for use of specific bicycling equipment or bicycling technique that rely on the use of faulty risk analysis "studies" that among other problems make no distinction between falls that result in boo-boo injuries that can be treated with a band-aid, and catastrophic injuries, try the Vehicular Cycling or Helmet sticky threads.
Counting only injuries "severe" enough to result in an ER visit is a simple attempt to filter out the "falls" that result in no injury or minor injuries from consideration in order to more accurately evaluate the risk of the activity under discussion. But it is better than giving every "fall" an equal value in risk evaluation, regardless of the injury severity incurred as in "I say that across the US, there are more than 640 falls off a bike per day by people 15 or older."
People who do not understand how to evaluate risk will often quote data or factoids from so-called "studies" or even their own guesswork that is based on the use of vague undefined metrics like "falls" or "crashes" and give no consideration to the severity level of the injuries that typically occur from various types of "falls" and "crashes".
If you care to read more discussion that includes promotion for use of specific bicycling equipment or bicycling technique that rely on the use of faulty risk analysis "studies" that among other problems make no distinction between falls that result in boo-boo injuries that can be treated with a band-aid, and catastrophic injuries, try the Vehicular Cycling or Helmet sticky threads.
First off, drop the talk about not understanding how to evaluate risk. I was responding to a baseless claim by maelochs. He still hasnt backed up his claim. Instead, he referenced a news article of a report that has data which is partly related to the discussion.
The claim was that an adult is more likely to fall and hit their head in the bathroom than fall and hit their head when on a bike. Thats it. Thats all. The claim wasnt about ER visits and ER visits dont prove or disprove either side of the claim.
So injuries in the bathroom dont count unless its both a fall and the head hits something. Did you injure your toe in the bathroom?...sucks, but that doesnt apply. Did you hit your head on a cabinet but not fall?...sucks, but that doesnt apply.
Again- the claim was then defended with something that reports ER visits for bathroom injuries, but that doesnt confirm the claim at all.
This should have ended when I posted that gif from SNL. But maelochs decided to link a report that doesnt actually prove his claim, so I responded. And now we are here, with you rambling on about me not understanding how to evaluate risk. What on earth?!?!
09-10-20, 11:02 AM
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09-10-20, 11:13 AM
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09-10-20, 01:45 PM
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09-10-20, 01:47 PM
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After all of this.....I just bought new RocLoc, pads and good to go. For all of $10. Unless you count the other stuff I bought, just because buying online is easy.
09-10-20, 02:37 PM
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I put new pads in my Giro this year. It's actually more comfortable now - the new pads seem to be a little higher quality than original. It's like a brand new helmet.
