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Ah, yeah. And it's relative to your expected power (bike) or pace (running) to HR. It also punishes me heavily for riding with AG, because it thinks my HR should be lower than it is for the lower effort. I've come to the conclusion that it's mostly useless (which of course doesn't stop me from looking at it and wanting it to go higher).
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
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it's a bike, datlas go out and enjoy yourself.
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And it was damn amateur hour out on the MUP this morning. At the start of my second loop down the trail I saw two people sitting fixing a wheel; when I asked if they were ok they asked if I had a pump. It turns out B had already stopped to help A, and between them they had one CO2 that had been left screwed into the chuck and slowly leaked out, and was fused to the chuck. I used my chuck and CO2 to inflate the tire and... it immediately popped because he hadn't checked the tire, and the tire had a good 1/2" gash in the sidewall from hitting whatever he hit, which also had driven a spike of clincher bead into the tire. Tire shot, new tube shot, rim likely shot, and he had no idea on anything.
Meanwhile, before even trying my CO2, I hear a crash behind me, because some tri girl out with one of the big local groups wiped out. She stone-cold ignored the 4-5 people asking if she was ok and rode on, so I guess she was, but wow.
In the end I bailed halfway through lap 3 because I couldn't take it any more.
Meanwhile, before even trying my CO2, I hear a crash behind me, because some tri girl out with one of the big local groups wiped out. She stone-cold ignored the 4-5 people asking if she was ok and rode on, so I guess she was, but wow.
In the end I bailed halfway through lap 3 because I couldn't take it any more.
I think it's it's time to retire the Hutch tires and install the new Pro 1s.
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
Anyone have some evidence based answers?
#8512
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Definitely pedal, unless you're in endurance mode on a really long ride. Maybe everybody is different, but to me, it's torque, not watts, that really burns matches; the fatigue of 300w @70 rpm is going to accumulate more than that of 300w @110rpm, simply because those slower grinds are shifting away from the cardio and on to the legs.
Of course, you're right on long fun rides, and killing it uphill is usually the fun/challenge, and coasting downhill is the recovery point.
It always depends on the ride you're doing.
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Endurance training rides mean you get to pedal all the time. Uphill, downhill, sideways, no matter. There is no spinning out-you hit your brakes in order to not spin out. Sunday was 4 hours, and 3% was Zone 1. Funny, because when I catch someone out in the wild, it's usually downhill, simply because maintaining 71% is the goal, and that's not what they're doing. Of course, they usually catch me going uphill, because 71% is the goal, and they dial it up to 400 watts.
Of course, you're right on long fun rides, and killing it uphill is usually the fun/challenge, and coasting downhill is the recovery point.
It always depends on the ride you're doing.
Of course, you're right on long fun rides, and killing it uphill is usually the fun/challenge, and coasting downhill is the recovery point.
It always depends on the ride you're doing.
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Oh, on my ride today, I saw an establishment with a name that Bah Humbug and his dad joke sense of humor could appreciate: G-Will Liquors.
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It’s gotten hot enough in the house that I have migrated to the basement. Luckily it’s going to cool off tonight and the whole-house fan is on a circuit that has power from the generator. The water heater is not, which meant a short military-style cold shower post ride. Very refreshing!!
The power company website says we will get our power back by 11 tonight but I don’t believe it. There are tons of downed trees and wires all around here and it’s going to take them several more days to get to everything.
The power company website says we will get our power back by 11 tonight but I don’t believe it. There are tons of downed trees and wires all around here and it’s going to take them several more days to get to everything.
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Oh, on my ride today, I saw an establishment with a name that Bah Humbug and his dad joke sense of humor could appreciate: G-Will Liquors.
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It’s gotten hot enough in the house that I have migrated to the basement. Luckily it’s going to cool off tonight and the whole-house fan is on a circuit that has power from the generator. The water heater is not, which meant a short military-style cold shower post ride. Very refreshing!!
The power company website says we will get our power back by 11 tonight but I don’t believe it. There are tons of downed trees and wires all around here and it’s going to take them several more days to get to everything.
The power company website says we will get our power back by 11 tonight but I don’t believe it. There are tons of downed trees and wires all around here and it’s going to take them several more days to get to everything.
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Well, I managed to fit a TSS > 600 into a four day week, including a full-on, hilly, 20 mi. TT and a lot of non-acclimated time in the heat. I'm ready for a couple days off the bike and on the water.
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Pro tip: if your rubber band for your Cadence Sensor breaks, simply put the sensor in your sock down near your ankle.
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Well, gee willikers - I bet Velo Vol would get it.
As a young adult, I wanted to open a liquor store with that name.
As a young adult, I wanted to open a liquor store with that name.
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