cat0020

Maybe not Chinese brand, but a good deal for cargo ebike:

Co-op Cycles Generation e1.1 Electric Bike $798.99 Compared to original $1,499.00*

https://www.rei.com/product/189967/c...electric-bike?

Smaug1

Not bad. Schwalbe tires, and not even knobbies! Centerstand! Comes with the trunk bag?!
I do question the decision to go with 36 V; that's can be kind of wimpy.

We'll have to see what ol' Micah says when he gets his hands on one.

cat0020

I suspect the smaller diameter, narrower tires doesn't require as much voltage to generate torque from the motor..
or more likely it is marketed for international sales in countries that have lower power output requirements.

unterhausen

I'm late to this, but I would like to discourage discussion of electric mopeds like that in this subforum. Endless sphere is full of posts about electric mopeds*, which are only going to cause problems for people with class 1,2,3 ebikes.

*I believe it is technically an electric moped in any state that has laws about ebikes, and not the pejorative label that people like to give to real ebikes.

cat0020

I don't know what "Endless sphere" is, but if qualification for ebike vs e-moped are blurred and problems are caused due to confusion between the two;
then discussions should be encouraged to educate more people about the difference between ebikes vs e-mopeds, especially on public forums.

I've seen ebikes since 1994 when I first started working at bike shops;
home-built, conversions of mt. bikes with power tool batteries to turn into ebikes or e-mopeds;
built by folks who lost their driver's license and had to commute on their bikes.

If folks are using these lower cost ($2K), high powered ebikes for everyday transportation,
does that really upset the class 1, 2, 3 ebike folks that need $400 car rack just to transport their ebikes to ride them?

cat0020

Not quite "bikes" when you have 4 wheels.. more like quads.

Wide load! Extra-thick four-wheeled electric cargo bikes to replace trucks in New York

https://electrek.co/2023/08/14/wide-...s-in-new-york/

2old

I hope the Mod(s) will enforce this rule even though I have posted pictures of some builds that were greater than 750w; I'll try to remember not to do it again. The price of these illegal bikes (AFAIK, they are legal only on some off road trails in CA) has decreased; this is exhibited by "bikes" like the Talaria (about $3K for a 50 mph vehicle with foot pegs, not pedals). My wife was on a local hiking trail and encountered about 20 of these punks riding randomly around her. She is no shrinking violet, but was scared.

unterhausen

If it's an electric motorcycle, this isn't a motorcycle forum. People also use motorcycles for transportation every day. I'm not going to go back through this thread and see which ones are appropriate or not. I'm not too concerned about overpowered ebikes, as long as we don't get into speed contests on the bike path. But bikes without pedals are off topic.

I'm a little surprised that you haven't heard of endless sphere. They host lots of alternate transportation content. But it's pretty common over there to have people post videos of themselves going way too fast on bike paths and getting arrested for having unlicensed electric motorcycles. People with class 1,2,3 ebikes and care about preserving the good deal we have gotten under the law are rightfully worried about people riding electric motorcycles that bear a passing resemblance to ebikes. I don't know if you were around for the moped boom in the '70s, but they were big for a couple of years and then lawmakers killed them off. Lots of bike shops with unsellable inventory. I don't think this will happen to ebikes, but it could. There are big money interests that wouldn't mind killing them, and the bike industry can't compete with that. All it would take is a few more high-profile deaths of teenage riders and there could be a problem.

2old

A BIG +1 with the above. The difference with these >750w, 35 mph - 100 mph (There's an individual on ES who achieved 110 mph or so in the quarter mile on his "e-bike") behemoths (in CA) is they are illegal on all roads, trails and bike paths with the possible exception of a few off road trails for Jeep-type vehicles, and are a prominent threat to the legal e-bike community.

cat0020

Education is more important than legislation.
People need to be educated of the rules of the road or wherever they ride their bikes.
In many countries around the world, cycling and traffic laws are part of ANNUAL curriculum required in schools from grade schools through high school.
Cycling should be like a life long/saving skill that everyone should know, like swimming.. or maybe even math.
People need to be educated the danger to themselves and others when they operate their bike, ebikes, e-scooter, e-mopeds on public roads.

We have to acknowledge the reality & facts: regardless of laws & rules, people will always want to ride fast will always find a way to modify or upgrade their bikes to go faster than manufactured.
But at least when they are educated of the danger they present to themselves & others, maybe they would re-evaluate before taking too much risk while riding.

Meanwhile, I still think parents should also be held accountable when their child is caught breaking traffic laws, causing accidents on high-seed e-bikes. If they can afford high cost, high speed e-bikes to for their children, they can also afford higher (x5 or x10) auto insurance premiums.

One individual on ES who achieved 110 mph.. can you specify the name of this person?
or provide a link to the discussion?
How was the speed recorded?
Where was it done?
Under what conditions?
Did the e-bike have functional pedals that propel the bike?
Do we need laws to be created to regulate all folks on ebikes just because of one person who achieved 110 mph?

unterhausen

Just to be clear, I'm not particularly interested in a debate about illegal ebikes. We have always deleted discussions of motorcycles of any type on this forum. I'm just pointing out that motorcycles are off topic for the entire forum, and I might chose to delete posts about electric motorcycles.

cat0020

All bikes in this thread has pedals that function to propel, none are motorcycle that don't have functional pedals.
As I said before: legal or not, reality is that there will always be riders who wants to ride faster.
You can regulate everyone with more and more restrictions, doesn't stop manufacturers or consumers that want faster bikes.

2old

That's fine since I don't read his posts and don't care about the drivel he writes. My points were related to what might be the outcome of these illegal behemoths in socal.
.

cat0020

You seem to make this personal, you don't read my posts but care enough to post in this thread?
Your points are irrelevant when you choose to ignore the reality about human nature, regardless of laws or location.
You made claims about someone put together a high speed moped, but can't offer any details.
You made claims about your friend operated a thriving moped shop, but can't offer any details.
Seems to me, the points you made are just made up stories without any details nor evidence.
And you're a BIG +1 for getting rid of this thread for healthy discussions?
What do you contribute to the discussion really?

cat0020

Why more high-end bike companies are making budget-level electric bikes

https://electrek.co/2023/09/18/why-m...lectric-bikes/

Because they offer higher profit margin? more volume in sales?

cat0020

Velotric Go electric utility bike review: A smaller cargo e-bike for heavy hauling that’s light on price

https://electrek.co/2023/09/27/velot...y-bike-review/

tesla_exp

i don't think they are UL certified, if you get it directly from china

cat0020

Part of the reason they cost 30-40% less when purchased directly from manufacturers, cut out the middle man.

2old

Good point; counterfeit tags are easy to manufacture and cheap.

Smaug1

That's not a good assumption, as UL has several offices and labs in China.

I disagree. For categories of products that are found to be at high risk of counterfeiting, UL requires hologram labels, which are not cheap & easy to manufacture. SGS probably does the same. They also are aggressive at prosecuting. When I was at UL, I've heard of entire containers of counterfeit products being destroyed, rather than allowing them to go back and be shipped again illegally. (UL works with US Customs)

2old

It may be difficult to produce an exact replica, but how many people know the difference, and how much policing is being done? You can yak as much as you want, but I've seen too many instances of counterfeiting. It's like the bikes that are below the 750w maximum if you designate them for "off road" use only or have 250w stickers on their motors. Wink, wink.

cat0020

I went to China to witness the secrets of micromobility factories. Here’s what’s coming

https://electrek.co/2024/04/24/i-wen...-whats-coming/

CrimsonEclipse

You're Micah?

cat0020

No, I'm not Micah. It's just the title of the article.
I have been to China many ties though,
enough times to determine their manufacturing process are not as most American thought they'd be.

cat0020

Yadea factory tour: The surprises I found at the world’s largest electric vehicle maker

https://electrek.co/2024/04/25/yadea...vehicle-maker/