Building two Brompton clones
04-25-20, 12:15 PM
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I'm late to this discussion so maybe this has been answered. Every once and a while I go to ebay and search Brompton to see what's new. More and more I'm seeing clone ti frames, forks and rear triangles. How is Brompton letting this go on? Can't they stop this. What is going on there. I'm ignorant but this on the surface seems to be easy to stop. I can understand selling parts upgrades but frames seems like copyright infringement.
05-22-20, 10:26 AM
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I'm late to this discussion so maybe this has been answered. Every once and a while I go to ebay and search Brompton to see what's new. More and more I'm seeing clone ti frames, forks and rear triangles. How is Brompton letting this go on? Can't they stop this. What is going on there. I'm ignorant but this on the surface seems to be easy to stop. I can understand selling parts upgrades but frames seems like copyright infringement.
05-22-20, 03:54 PM
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I'm late to this discussion so maybe this has been answered. Every once and a while I go to ebay and search Brompton to see what's new. More and more I'm seeing clone ti frames, forks and rear triangles. How is Brompton letting this go on? Can't they stop this. What is going on there. I'm ignorant but this on the surface seems to be easy to stop. I can understand selling parts upgrades but frames seems like copyright infringement.
Some good info here as well: https://www.gov.uk/government/case-s...perty-brompton
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05-23-20, 04:17 AM
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These explanations seems to me at least partially bull****:
The Brompton bike didn't change since more than 10 years !
The only "improvements" were some components changes, part of them to reduce the bill of material, part because the replaced components weren't available anymore.
Most of the "new" components are heavier than their predecessors (crankset, brake levers, shifters...) resulting in a bike weight increase.
All this is the results of a CEO aiming only at profit increase !
Butler-Adams built new company offices with a doubled production capacity... but Brompton sales are stagnating (while the global cycle industry sales are booming).
For remembrance, Andrew Ritchie, left the company disgusted by Butler-Adams company management.
And no one would have a clue how we do it. Even if you downloaded all our drawings, it would still take you two years to make a really good bike. By then, we would be producing something different anyway.
says Butler-Adams
says Butler-Adams
The only "improvements" were some components changes, part of them to reduce the bill of material, part because the replaced components weren't available anymore.
Most of the "new" components are heavier than their predecessors (crankset, brake levers, shifters...) resulting in a bike weight increase.
All this is the results of a CEO aiming only at profit increase !
Butler-Adams built new company offices with a doubled production capacity... but Brompton sales are stagnating (while the global cycle industry sales are booming).
For remembrance, Andrew Ritchie, left the company disgusted by Butler-Adams company management.
05-23-20, 06:14 AM
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The Brompton bike didn't change since more than 10 years !
The only "improvements" were some components changes, part of them to reduce the bill of material, part because the replaced components weren't available anymore.
Most of the "new" components are heavier than their predecessors (crankset, brake levers, shifters...) resulting in a bike weight increase.
The only "improvements" were some components changes, part of them to reduce the bill of material, part because the replaced components weren't available anymore.
Most of the "new" components are heavier than their predecessors (crankset, brake levers, shifters...) resulting in a bike weight increase.
05-23-20, 06:54 AM
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Its really a pity because the Brompton is an excellent bike and with some minor changes it would become even much better (allowance for wider tires, modern transmission like its done by Kinetics... if a single man company can do all what he does on the Brompton, how is it possible that a company cannot).
07-07-20, 06:03 PM
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Its really a pity because the Brompton is an excellent bike and with some minor changes it would become even much better (allowance for wider tires, modern transmission like its done by Kinetics... if a single man company can do all what he does on the Brompton, how is it possible that a company cannot).
07-07-20, 06:12 PM
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I'm late to this discussion so maybe this has been answered. Every once and a while I go to ebay and search Brompton to see what's new. More and more I'm seeing clone ti frames, forks and rear triangles. How is Brompton letting this go on? Can't they stop this. What is going on there. I'm ignorant but this on the surface seems to be easy to stop. I can understand selling parts upgrades but frames seems like copyright infringement.
its quite simple: their pattents are expired.
thats why the can make those copycat and walks
07-27-21, 12:20 AM
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Sorry, Raxel.
I forgot about this thread. After getting a Brompton, I have to completely agree with you. Excellent fold. Okay ride. Nice luggage options. Horrible, overpriced, unnecessarily proprietary parts. Built like a boat anchor.........and that's a fully upgraded M6R with titanium seatpost, dynos, etc.
I'd love to pick your brain for a possible build around an EasyTi frame
I forgot about this thread. After getting a Brompton, I have to completely agree with you. Excellent fold. Okay ride. Nice luggage options. Horrible, overpriced, unnecessarily proprietary parts. Built like a boat anchor.........and that's a fully upgraded M6R with titanium seatpost, dynos, etc.
I'd love to pick your brain for a possible build around an EasyTi frame
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