Dion912

Thanks again, very informative. I'm like a sponge with this stuff and am enjoying the education process so far. Besides this forum, feel free to point me in other directions in terms of other websites or information sources.

I've owned a lot of bikes in my time, but none of them I would really call 'vintage' (I still laugh when someone refers to a mid-80's Trek as vintage), and I've never had an Italian bike or components. The closest I had was a mid-80's Bianchi made in Taiiwan with a Shimano 600 group. Thanks for the brake call out. I'v been thinking about that and will take some measurements to ensure I know what to look for..

I'm starting to narrow my build strategy in the following parameters:
1) Make this bike rideable - and actually enjoyable while doing it. So, I don't want to go to exactly period correct if it also means that I'm going to be frustrated with the experience. I want to put miles on this thing, not display it as part of my collection.
2) Somewhat stay true to a vintage heritage, even if the components are 60s/70s but still have the vintage look and feel
3) and finally I'm leaning towards keeping it Italian now even though I could equip this whole bike with Shimano/Suntour components by the end of the week if I wanted to.

The process continues.....

juvela

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date correction -

went back and read the early thread posts of nostro Don Randolfo.

he states he got the bike from the previous owner who purchased it from "...the original owner in 1968."

so this would eliminate "late sixties" and "early seventies" as possible birthday times

juvela definitely needs to get his time mirror recalibrated!

"mishtooken como per normale"

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this closeup of an Olmo seat cluster shows one with the same stay attachment, seat binder and Agrati plate style bridge with mudguard attachment eyelet as your frame. lug is Agrati "AM" pattern -




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Dion912

I've looked at that picture a dozen times and never noticed the brake bridge being the same as mine. Good thing I went with Orange. LOL.

juvela

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Agrati offered several models of plate style bridges.

Do not have names or numbers for any of them unfortunately.

Here is their very simplest plate type brake bridge for "brake only" -




this example resides on a Chiorda built J.C. Penney's cycle ca. 1970 (may look familiar ) -




this Geminiani cycle was posted to the forum last week; appears to be a Chiorda product. note that its Agrati plate style seat stay bridge looks to be the same model as the one on your frame. cycle shows to date from ca. 1975. [apologies for poor image from owner]




iirc there is also a model which incorporates mounting points for a rear rack. have yet of locate a good image of one. it somewhat resembles the ESGE Pletscher.

difficult to locate good images of the Agrati plate type chainstay bridges due to chainsets, muguards and prop stands always being in the way. hope to find some good ones. there are additional patterns besides the one on your frame.

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meant to ask previously -

when you had everything down to bare metal prior to painting did you try shining a light in the shell to see if any of the four tube interiors there were seamless?

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Dion912

Yes, the tubes do appear to be seamless but the head tube is not rifled nor can I find a dove marking, so probably not Columbus.

juvela

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brake note for build planning -

whatever caliper make and model you select you shall needs be deal with the wrinkle of the plate style bridge

one solution is to add some 6.0mm X 1.0 threads to the mounting bolt and then trim it

another solution is to cut a piece of tubing with a six or seven mm i.d. to act as a spacer

Weinmann handles the matter by using a long nut

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Dion912

In looking at it, that was also my assumption unless I got lucky and found the perfect Ballila brake setup for it. Either way, I used to build formula vee race cars and have a fair amount of fabrication tools and experience. We'll figure something out!

Some of my old custom fab work on my Lynx FV.

juvela

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Whoa Nellie!

Next time I needs a piece o' metal worked on or created I shall know whom to contact.


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juvela

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Hello once again Dion,

In case it might be of use, just came across a set of Sheffield pedals which would be age and application appropriate to the bicycle at modest cost.

https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Pedales-velo...53.m1438.l2649

All best wishes with it!

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Dion912

Thanks for the tip!

randyjawa 

Geeze, I do wish that I had known of your need for pedals. I have these guys in my stash and have no need of them. It is likely that I have clips and worn straps to boot, for your boots...

Dion912

No worries Randy. I don't 'need' pedals at this point.

juvela

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Dion far too modest regarding his powers of conception, design & fabrication right on through to completion and testing.

Here is a steam powered tricycle he did:




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Dion912

and I’m a time traveler too!

Dion912

Time for a sad update to this thread. After repainting the frame, I had to wait for almost 2 months for the decals to arrive from the Ukraine. I applied them last weekend, and they really popped. The quality seemed exceptional and I couldn't wait to get the clear coat on and start reassembling the parts.

Let me start by saying that i always use a 'family' of paints to avoid any issues. I did not go exotic with this paint job and stuck to off the shelf rattle can products that I could easily buy at the local auto parts store, and in this case it all came from Rustoleum. Primer, paint and clear coat - all relatively mild Acrylic Enamel. So I had a low humidity day for around here (58%) and decided to spray the clear. Shortly after adding the first layer of clear to the first decal, you can see what happened.....to say that I was ticked off is probably an understatement. Of course the supplier's response - "I've never see that before". Thanks for my money back, but I'm not waiting another 2 months for a replacement set.

So back to the drawing board. I've ordered a different set of decals from VeloCals, and I'm having custom paint mixed up to match my vintage Porsche (see post #15 above). Maybe this bike gets done in 2020, maybe not.


After clear

Before clear

I was pretty excited at this point.

juvela

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Thanks very much for this update.

Sad to read of this calamity.

What technology was the transfer set from Ukraine? Water slide? Varnish fixing? Other?

Did your research determine this to be the correct pattern for the era of the frame?

My first guess, without checking, is that it might be slightly late.

Expect Peter's site to provide a fine reference.

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Dion912

I’m not trying to make it exactly as built replica since nobody has been able to pinpoint the exact year, model or make for that matter. At this point it’s just a tribute bike and I’m having fun with it.

Dion912

Probably my last post on this thread. I may start a new build thread now that I'm making some serious headway on collecting parts. The frame was resprayed with a custom mix color. 3 coats of base lacquer with 4 coats of clear over the paint. I'm doing decals over the clear coat this time, just like old style. But, I'm waiting for two weeks as the paint de-gasses.....

juvela

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Thanks very much for the update!

High marks for patience in staying with it.

If I had experienced a calamity like the one you pictured I might have thrown in the towel...

On me monitor it appears you have changed the colour for the respray from orange to burnt sienna. Are I close?

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Dion912

The color is actually a mid-60's Porsche color called Bahama Yellow, same as my 60's Porsche in post #15 above. It came out a tad darker than I would have expected, but no worries as I like it anyway.

juvela

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brings up the possibility of selecting a trim colour somewhere within the marrone family...tasteful!


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obrentharris 

My compliments on your perseverance!
Brent

Dion912

I hate to keep extending this thread, but wanted to add one more pic and ask for help. I tried to post a WTB ad in the Vintage sales section, but my account doesn't have the right authority I guess. I need a 26.2mm seat post to get this on the road. Not looking for anything high end or period correct, just something useable. Let me know what you have (if anything)

juvela

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il due lire di mio...

a NITOR would be "just right" here:





model from 1963 with hex head bolts -



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