strotter13

Here is the spill from the death ride. Full Vlog of the ride coming shortly.

nycphotography

Luckily you were almost completely stopped before you went down.

And is there a reason why don't you wear gloves?

Anyhow, glad you're ok

strotter13

Yeah I was only at 39mph when I started breaking and I think I pretty much had the bike stopped I just kind of rolled onto the hill.

I just never wore gloves. No reason. That is the first time I wrecked since I started riding in 2011, but gloves might be a nice piece of safety gear to have.

Trevtassie

You'll figure out what gloves are for once you have to pick the gravel out of the palm of your hands

02Giant 

More front brake.

Retoocs

and less rear brake. Why didn't you ease up on the rear brake once it locked up?

OldTryGuy

Only once did I ride without gloves and that was a 70.3 triathlon. A bit of time saved during transition resulted in mangled hands when I went down in a roundabout at 25.2mph at mile 15 of the 56 mile bike.

strotter13

You can't really tell in the video because you still here the sound of the front break squealing, but I let off the rear brake right after it locked up. Put in front break. Stayed sideways then last minute grabbed rear brake. The squealing that you hear in the video isn't the tires skidding. That's the sound of the brake pads on the carbon wheels.

trailangel

Good stop. You will wear leather gloves from now on after you have to get the gravel and asphalt out of your hand.... while you are drinking wine to kill the pain.

strotter13

Thanks . The hand is good! I had to rip that piece of skin off of it once I got down the hill. The wife scrubbed and dressed it for me last night.... I whined like a baby.
Headed out for a morning recovery ride, then I will get the full vlog done today.

trailangel

It was a good controlled stop, you stayed with it. I had a hand that was twice as bad in the same area, right on the pad... looked like raw hamburger. Started on the wine after riding 5 miles to get home and then washed it out. Hurt like a mofo. I never go out without gloves again, even to the grocery store.

StanPark

I once crashed a motorcycle almost exactly like that. When I realized that I had gone a little too fast too far into the corner, I just braked as hard as I could in a straight line and fell into the right ditch when the bike was nearly fully stopped. Its called target fixation. See the wall...hit the wall. Later, thinking back, I could have leaned left more agressively while trail braking rear brakes only and would likely have avoided the crash all together. In mitorcycling, if you try applying a little rear brake pressure during a lean, you will notice your radius starts to decrease quickly. I suppose it should work the same on road bikes, especially on dry warm pavement. I just started riding road bikes, so perhaps I am wrong.

Glad you are ok, could have been worse. And yes, gloves and helmet are a must for me now.

strotter13

I wrecked a 2006 Yamaha r6 due to target fixation back in 2006. I read Keith code's book and watched his movie twist of the wrist. This looks like target fixation but it wasn't. I had 3 ways to go down and try to avoid going down. This seemed like it gave me the best odds.

Btw I highly recommend Keith codes book and movie for anyone that likes descending. It's meant for motorcycle riders but a lot applies to descending.

Side note I had the fastest descent on strava on both sides of Monitor for the day and 5th out of 5,500 people that have ever descended Monitor using strava.

I am a good descender but I shouldn't have been going that fast on that part of Ebbotts with that many people. I was following my buddy who is really familiar with that road and he knew to start braking but I wasn't paying attention and was telling the guy behind me to watch for the deberes.

Thank you everyone for watching the video.

Silvercivic27

Haha yeah. It's the scariest sound in the world on a group ride or in a race.

strotter13

Tycho Brahe 

Debris.

Cannot believe no one has mentioned it until now.

strotter13

Yeah I was in a rush to get the video done last night after the death ride, before I went to bed, and I missed it. Too bad Adobe Premiere doesn't have spell check in their add text tool

Thanks for watching!

IK_biker

Lol.
No, it was not, and he did not.
It was a uncontrolled spill due to operator error.

strotter13

I lost control due to operator error... which was not realizing how slick the ground was and not realizing I was going to lock the back brake when I applied it yes. After the mistake was made I regained as much control as I could. And in my opinion it was a well controlled stop after my own error of locking the rear brake up.


Judging what I did wrong, and what I did right from just watching the video is fairly inappropriate because you can't see everything that was around me. You can't feel the tires sliding, you can't feel what the bike was doing. You can't even here the tires skidding. You hear the brake squeal the whole time, but the tires were not skidding the whole time, I was on and off both brakes several times at several different pressures throughout the crash. I don't think anybody could understand the wreck from just watching the video at that crappy angle. But I knew people would. There is a lot of people that already know everything and are very quick to judge. You get used to that when you put videos out, so no big deal. At least I am out there doing it part of the time, makes me happy!

strotter13

This will give you guys a little better idea of my opinion on the wreck. If you don't want to watch the whole vlog, just skip to the 10:30 mark and then the part when I am in the car.

Roadrash3

Thanks for posting, I love the death ride and can't wait to do it again. Thanks for sharing all of it.

strotter13

Thank you! I'm glad you liked it! I want to do it again next year too!

nycphotography

It _seems_ as though you had slowed and had a good opportunity to turn in and late apex the turn.

Target fixation _seems_ to fit the circumstances.

Personally,once over cooking a corner, I find I have to _force_ my head to turn and look through the corner and then commit to turning, whether I can make it or not. I'd almost always rather try to turn and low side than go straight into whatever is in front of me, but it does not come naturally to me.

tomato coupe

Hmmm. (Insert comment here.)

FBinNY 

FYI - it's not DEBREE, it's debris