My quest for a new bike has been a rollercoaster
11-25-13, 11:05 PM
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Compact allows a long torso, shorter leg rider to get enough stretch and still not have a toptube in the crotch.
Head tube length is a lot of personal and that comfort depends a lot on hip and lower back flexibility.
Of the comments you've posted here, I've read nothing much which really figures into more than a parts/color decision.
Seems like overall good pricing on either/both.
Is it just that you can;t wait to get the one put together? Or Hard to pass up a deal?
Do either of these compare (similar or quite different) to any bike which you've put some real miles on?
Yeah, for me I have a real hard time choosing if someone offers me a Jolly Rancher Green Apple or a roll of Smarties.
11-26-13, 01:36 AM
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if you are 6 ft and 33 cycling inseam, then I wouldn;t say proportional long legs, short torso - more the opposite.
Compact allows a long torso, shorter leg rider to get enough stretch and still not have a toptube in the crotch.
Head tube length is a lot of personal and that comfort depends a lot on hip and lower back flexibility.
Of the comments you've posted here, I've read nothing much which really figures into more than a parts/color decision.
Seems like overall good pricing on either/both.
Is it just that you can;t wait to get the one put together? Or Hard to pass up a deal?
Do either of these compare (similar or quite different) to any bike which you've put some real miles on?
Yeah, for me I have a real hard time choosing if someone offers me a Jolly Rancher Green Apple or a roll of Smarties.
Compact allows a long torso, shorter leg rider to get enough stretch and still not have a toptube in the crotch.
Head tube length is a lot of personal and that comfort depends a lot on hip and lower back flexibility.
Of the comments you've posted here, I've read nothing much which really figures into more than a parts/color decision.
Seems like overall good pricing on either/both.
Is it just that you can;t wait to get the one put together? Or Hard to pass up a deal?
Do either of these compare (similar or quite different) to any bike which you've put some real miles on?
Yeah, for me I have a real hard time choosing if someone offers me a Jolly Rancher Green Apple or a roll of Smarties.
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11-26-13, 01:59 AM
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why don't you buy a rollercoaster?
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11-26-13, 07:17 AM
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You are so right. This is also why guys with average or short legs for their height don't get endurance geometry frames. A short legged guy on a slammed racing geometry fits identically to a long legged rider on an endurance geometry.
I stumbled on a stat I read the other day. It was stated in the article that unless your cycling inseam...PB to ground is more than 1/2 your height, you don't have long legs for your height. You have long legs for your height and to me this is the hardest fit to achieve on a road bike.
I stumbled on a stat I read the other day. It was stated in the article that unless your cycling inseam...PB to ground is more than 1/2 your height, you don't have long legs for your height. You have long legs for your height and to me this is the hardest fit to achieve on a road bike.
11-26-13, 07:26 AM
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They also had the red racing for 4k, quite a bit more money but an awesome build. I actually prefer the team colored frame. Keep in mind that is not the hi mod evo frame! I usually buy my bikes from this same dealer around this time of year. A week ago I picked up a 2012 madone 6.7 with dura ace for 3k. I'm pumped on the bike but the weather has allowed for only about ten miles.
11-26-13, 07:33 AM
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Interesting. I'm about 5`8" and 28" inseam. So I have shorter legs. I just sold my Secteur and ordered a SS EVO. Both are size 52 cm. Of course the Secteur is endurance bike geo and SS is race. I hope what you note is correct. I'm not worried about fit. I test rode the SS and felt no uncomfortable feel because of race geo, however I didn't ride it 30 miles or any long ride. So based on your statement, I should be OK for long rides? I'm in good shape and have done a century and a few 75 plus miles. Typical ride is 30-40 miles. Thanks in advance.
11-26-13, 07:57 AM
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Tried that (54 cm). No stand over height whatsoever. I didn't feel comfortable standing on a 54.
11-26-13, 09:52 AM
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11-26-13, 04:14 PM
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Everybody and their brother not riding Trek or Specialized is riding a Cannondale. I like the Storck for you, but hey, I don't have to ride it....
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11-26-13, 04:27 PM
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11-26-13, 06:31 PM
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Compact geometry is when you don't go by the actual top tube length but by it's effective length. So take two bikes:
Both have 54cm long top tubes but the compact has it sloping downward vs straight and parallel to the ground. The one with the straight top tube will effectively be a smaller bike than the one with the sloping one. This is popular with carbon frames because the manufacturer ends up using less carbon with a sloping top tube bike to get the same size as the straight one.
Both will fit pretty much the same but the sloping one uses less amount of materials.
Both have 54cm long top tubes but the compact has it sloping downward vs straight and parallel to the ground. The one with the straight top tube will effectively be a smaller bike than the one with the sloping one. This is popular with carbon frames because the manufacturer ends up using less carbon with a sloping top tube bike to get the same size as the straight one.
Both will fit pretty much the same but the sloping one uses less amount of materials.
11-26-13, 06:43 PM
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Compact geometry is when you don't go by the actual top tube length but by it's effective length. So take two bikes:
Both have 54cm long top tubes but the compact has it sloping downward vs straight and parallel to the ground. The one with the straight top tube will effectively be a smaller bike than the one with the sloping one. This is popular with carbon frames because the manufacturer ends up using less carbon with a sloping top tube bike to get the same size as the straight one.
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Both will fit pretty much the same but the sloping one uses less amount of materials.
Both have 54cm long top tubes but the compact has it sloping downward vs straight and parallel to the ground. The one with the straight top tube will effectively be a smaller bike than the one with the sloping one. This is popular with carbon frames because the manufacturer ends up using less carbon with a sloping top tube bike to get the same size as the straight one.
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Both will fit pretty much the same but the sloping one uses less amount of materials.
Not more like...adapted from mountain bikes...by sloping the top tube down, and using a range of stem/seatpost sizes, a manufacturer can produce a smaller number of sizes to fit a wider height/body-type range of riders. So, e.g., s/m/ml/l/xl will accommodate almost everyone; the maker can produce 5 frame sizes instead of a multitude (e.g. 48 to 62 in two cm. increments) to fit the same range of cyclists.
Or you could just take a wikipedia excursion...A road racing bicycle is designed for efficient power transfer at minimum weight and drag. Broadly speaking, the road bicycle geometry is categorized as either a traditional geometry with a horizontal top tube, or a compact geometry with a sloping top tube.
Traditional geometry road frames are often associated with more comfort and greater stability, and tend to have a longer wheelbase which contribute to these two aspects. Compact geometry road frames have a lower center of gravity and tend to have a shorter wheelbase and smaller rear triangle, which give the bike quicker handling. Compact geometry also allows the top of the head tube to be above the top of the seat tube, increasing standover clearance, and lowering the center of gravity. Opinion is divided on the riding merits of the compact frame, but several manufacturers claim that a reduced range of sizes can fit most riders, and that it is easier to build a frame without a perfectly level top tube.
11-26-13, 07:00 PM
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Traditional geometry road frames are often associated with more comfort and greater stability, and tend to have a longer wheelbase which contribute to these two aspects. Compact geometry road frames have a lower center of gravity and tend to have a shorter wheelbase and smaller rear triangle, which give the bike quicker handling. Compact geometry also allows the top of the head tube to be above the top of the seat tube, increasing standover clearance, and lowering the center of gravity. Opinion is divided on the riding merits of the compact frame, but several manufacturers claim that a reduced range of sizes can fit most riders, and that it is easier to build a frame without a perfectly level top tube.
Also the statement that the manufacturer can produce 5 frame sizes instead of a multitude to fit same range of cyclists from a financial standpoint literally translates to "less amount of bikes we have produce which means less bikes sitting on the clearance rack at the end of the year".
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11-26-13, 07:16 PM
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Wait...you said you went to a Trek store and found a Cannondale?
11-26-13, 07:31 PM
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It's called the Trek Superstore and there's 5 locations throughout San Diego area and 1 in New Mexico. They carry every single Trek model but only carry the better equipped Cannondale bikes. The CAAD10 Black Inc. with Di2 looks nice but a bit too much black for me. I like the gold lettering though.
