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Old 02-12-21, 02:08 PM
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Need Bianchi and Campagnolo Identification Help

I would like to tap into the knowledge base on this forum. This is the latest bike I have pulled from my pile to work on. I believe it is a Bianchi because of the "B" stamped in the fork crown. I would appreciate help with is identifying if it truly is a Bianchi and what model and date it might be. I also do not have a great knowledge of Campagnolo components so help identifying the group and date is also appreciated.

The bike has been repainted and I suspect the bottle cage bosses are added, and the stamping of the serial number is different from what I have seen before so I suspect there could be other frame modifications. The front wheel (different from the rear) and seat post do not seam to belong to the rest of the bike so I question if much of the rest of the components are original.

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Groupset looks to be Triomphe, mid to late 80’s.

Fork is Bianchi, not sure about the frame.
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There is no B on the HT / DT lug? Doesn’t really matter I agree pretty sure that isn’t a Bianchi frame. Have you seen the dropouts or fork ends? Anything on them?
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BTW. that hollow pin chain is cool
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Components look like Campagnolo "Triomphe."
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
There is no B on the HT / DT lug? Doesn’t really matter I agree pretty sure that isn’t a Bianchi frame. Have you seen the dropouts or fork ends? Anything on them?
The fork dropouts say Campagnolo. There are no markings on the rear


dropouts. Both are forged.
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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll
BTW. that hollow pin chain is cool
It is hardly worn at all, just rusty. I plan to clean it up and keep it.
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Whatever it actually is, the geometry and some of the lug details seem to tell the story of a decent-quality frame.
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Groupset is Victory, not Triomphe. While the cranks and levers may look identical, the rear mech is not. Pretty sure Victory was the only of the two to use Campagnolo script. This would put the group at least into the later 80s IIRC. I can't recall if there's a date on the rear of the arms. Did you check for a single digit in a diamond or circle or similar?

The non-original paint looks extra thick on the seat stay caps. Any idea if there's something under?
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Old 02-12-21, 04:28 PM
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By the way, I'm sure you'll replace the blocks before riding, but it's worth noting the front brake pad holders appear to be installed 180º out of sorts. Rear ones look OK.
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Old 02-12-21, 04:32 PM
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I thought I could see some markings through the paint on the lug at the top end of the down tube. I took some paint stripper to it and lo and behold I see a "B" that looks like it has been filled in with copper. This makes me think that it was done while adding water bottle bosses. I'm thinking this does identify the frame is being Bianchi to, but I still have no idea about what model or year. I feel like an archeologist. Any ideas?
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Interesting someone opted to fill it with braze. Can you please do the same with one of the seat stay caps? I noticed this spot on the front lug, and I suspect the same on the seat stay cap.
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I'm also thinking that the front derailleur is not original as the clamp seems to be spread to go around the tube diameter. Lots of fun.
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Originally Posted by bikeaddiction1
I'm also thinking that the front derailleur is not original as the clamp seems to be spread to go around the tube diameter. Lots of fun.
That's something else that made me scratch my head but I just chalked it up to "not my usual brand". If this is a middle- to higher-end model with chrome stays, at the year the components would suggest, it's right on that cusp of when I'd kinda expect braze tab for the FD. Someone like Bianchigirll may be able to speak more to that, though.

I guess I'd just love to see what's under the paint all over. But the seat stay caps, lugs, rear triangle, brake bridge and fork may produce the most damning results.
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Originally Posted by francophile
Groupset is Victory, not Triomphe.
Cranks are Triomphe with the flared spider arms.
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Old 02-12-21, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by P!N20
Cranks are Triomphe with the flared spider arms.
Good catch. I admit, I was too lazy to look it up. Levers are Triomphe too, slightly flared out.
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Originally Posted by francophile
Interesting someone opted to fill it with braze. Can you please do the same with one of the seat stay caps? I noticed this spot on the front lug, and I suspect the same on the seat stay cap.
I will do this tomorrow and get back to you. I will not be surprised to find more interesting details.

I am really appreciating all the input I am getting here, but having been on the BF for a while I am not surprised by it.
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I stripped paint off of the seats take apps . It looks to me like the Bianchi emblem on the seat stay cap is brazed out as well. I have no idea why somebody would do that. Anyway, does this help anybody with identifying what the bike may be? I I'm also wondering if I might be able to use a torch and clean out the brazing from the emblems as they are in relief.
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Old 02-13-21, 02:18 PM
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It could've been done by the original brazer. Maybe Bianchi used the higher-end bike lugs and caps on the lower-end stuff, then used brazing rod to fill the cutout.

Anyway, it strikes me as being very similar to verktyg 's '81 Campione Del Mundo, but whether it 'actually is' is another story entirely.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/282672...in/photostream
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Another example for comparison, the Alloro. https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-pictures.html

But just sayin', if the lugs were filled intentionally, there's a solid chance this was a slightly lower-tier bike than the CDM or whatever.
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But just sayin', if the lugs were filled intentionally, there's a solid chance this was a slightly lower-tier bike than the CDM or whatever.
Could very well be, but I got another bike at the same time as this with the same paint and a few aftermarket differences and a weird component mix that make me think it was modified. That bike is here: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ying-bike.html This bike is in rougher condition and I need to think about refinishing. As I don't see it being high value I will likely paint it myself, or take the prepped bike to a autobody shop a friend has and get them to pint it a colour they already are putting on a car.

I looked at the like you posted above and it sure does look like those photos. Thanks so much for you help.
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It is really strange someone would go through all that effort to cover the frame markings but leave the fork alone.

it makes me curios about the cable guides on the BB if they are original or if the mad brazier switched from over the BB to under and added the cuts.
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Perhaps just the project of someone with a torch and a very specific aesthetic sense, but there is also the possibility that the filled-in pantographs and the missing serial number were intended to hide the bike's identity and perhaps its rightful owner.
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Originally Posted by bikeaddiction1
Could very well be, but I got another bike at the same time as this with the same paint and a few aftermarket differences and a weird component mix that make me think it was modified. That bike is here: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ying-bike.html This bike is in rougher condition and I need to think about refinishing. As I don't see it being high value I will likely paint it myself, or take the prepped bike to a autobody shop a friend has and get them to pint it a colour they already are putting on a car.
In that case, this leaves me intrigued. Was the previous owner trying to hide something, or just really in love with red paint? What other details might we find under the paint, evidence a braze-on front mech tab was once there? Did the previous owner take the time to fill the 'B' cutouts all around, and if so, why not just use bondo, filling them with braze is much more painstaking and time consuming...?

When I saw the serial# on the other bike you linked, immediately went to Worksop, it appears also not to be a shabby a ride. And I'm wondering what modifications may've existed on that bike also, referencing things removed, mostly.

And, yeah, what obrentharris said too.
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Perhaps just the project of someone with a torch and a very specific aesthetic sense, but there is also the possibility that the filled-in pantographs and the missing serial number were intended to hide the bike's identity and perhaps its rightful owner.
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I thought about that too as I started to uncover changes to the bikes. I don't believe the last owner who had no work shop, did these changes and based on the cobwebs, dirt, rotten tubes and tires, and dried up grease they have been sitting for a good many years. I bought a couple others at the same time that had original paint and no frame changes.
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