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Viking's are okay. My guy designed the first one. He was working for US Stoves making restaurant ranges, this Mississippi contractor put out feelers for a home-range with restaurant feel for his wife, and my guy did it. Back then, 15 K btu. Now Viking 18k. My guy, Surgit, has bumped heat to 23k. The best for residential-code available (but inductions are better for heating water, really efficient). Still 23k is not really serious heat though. The insurance industry met Betty Corcker, and they screwed home cooking. "Stop home kitchen fires!" They did that. Also ruined home cooking.
Good vids here https://capital-culinarian.com/Eurost...e/Welcome.html
The big oven is good, with a rotisserie. Mostly I use wolf electric double ovens. You can do beef jerky drying with 130F convection, also "dry sous vide". I really should have specified on our kitchen remodel a wood-fired oven. Something that could go really hot.
It's not totally different from bike designs. "No recumbents, they are too fast on the flats." Maybe open designs would have given us faster bikes. I think they would have.
Good vids here https://capital-culinarian.com/Eurost...e/Welcome.html
The big oven is good, with a rotisserie. Mostly I use wolf electric double ovens. You can do beef jerky drying with 130F convection, also "dry sous vide". I really should have specified on our kitchen remodel a wood-fired oven. Something that could go really hot.
It's not totally different from bike designs. "No recumbents, they are too fast on the flats." Maybe open designs would have given us faster bikes. I think they would have.
Do they take full-sized commercial sheet pans? When we were remodeling our kitchen about 10 years ago, we went with a 48" Dacor range because we found that only the 48" ranges had residential ovens that could take a full-sized commerical sheet pan. We liked that the Dacor had 6 LARGE burners and no griddle or grill.
04-19-11, 07:22 PM
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Schwinn's front skewer lever appears to be on wrong side...reinstall with it on left side.
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Let me school you on a bit of cycling history...
Tulio Campagnolo invented the quick release skewer. Tulio also studied bio-mechanics of the human body and already knew that the right side of the average human was .00347% heavier than the left side (this is the same reason most humans have a slightly larger right foot than left foot). By keeping the heavier end of the skewer on the left side of the bike, it cancels out much of this imbalance. This right side imbalance is also the reason velodromes are ridden counter-clockwise. If you ran clockwise such that the heavy side of the body was on the down sloping side of the track, it would be virtually impossible to ride on such a steep and high bank.
Tulio Campagnolo invented the quick release skewer. Tulio also studied bio-mechanics of the human body and already knew that the right side of the average human was .00347% heavier than the left side (this is the same reason most humans have a slightly larger right foot than left foot). By keeping the heavier end of the skewer on the left side of the bike, it cancels out much of this imbalance. This right side imbalance is also the reason velodromes are ridden counter-clockwise. If you ran clockwise such that the heavy side of the body was on the down sloping side of the track, it would be virtually impossible to ride on such a steep and high bank.
04-19-11, 08:58 PM
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Let me school you on a bit of cycling history...
Tulio Campagnolo invented the quick release skewer. Tulio also studied bio-mechanics of the human body and already knew that the right side of the average human was .00347% heavier than the left side (this is the same reason most humans have a slightly larger right foot than left foot). By keeping the heavier end of the skewer on the left side of the bike, it cancels out much of this imbalance. This right side imbalance is also the reason velodromes are ridden counter-clockwise. If you ran clockwise such that the heavy side of the body was on the down sloping side of the track, it would be virtually impossible to ride on such a steep and high bank.
Tulio Campagnolo invented the quick release skewer. Tulio also studied bio-mechanics of the human body and already knew that the right side of the average human was .00347% heavier than the left side (this is the same reason most humans have a slightly larger right foot than left foot). By keeping the heavier end of the skewer on the left side of the bike, it cancels out much of this imbalance. This right side imbalance is also the reason velodromes are ridden counter-clockwise. If you ran clockwise such that the heavy side of the body was on the down sloping side of the track, it would be virtually impossible to ride on such a steep and high bank.
04-19-11, 09:12 PM
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Let me turn off my B.S. for a minute because that actually makes me think seriously about this.
Most people are right handed, correct? Right-handed people tend to favor their right side, including stepping off on the right foot. I do find it much easier to turn left and do so at a higher rate of speed. When you turn, assuming you stop pedaling, you tend to put more weight on the right side crank arm which helps keep the bike planted. I supposed it is possible those who are right handed would tend to put less pressure on the left crank while making a right turn. Hmm, such thought provoking stuff.
Most people are right handed, correct? Right-handed people tend to favor their right side, including stepping off on the right foot. I do find it much easier to turn left and do so at a higher rate of speed. When you turn, assuming you stop pedaling, you tend to put more weight on the right side crank arm which helps keep the bike planted. I supposed it is possible those who are right handed would tend to put less pressure on the left crank while making a right turn. Hmm, such thought provoking stuff.
04-19-11, 09:24 PM
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Let me turn off my B.S. for a minute because that actually makes me think seriously about this.
Most people are right handed, correct? Right-handed people tend to favor their right side, including stepping off on the right foot. I do find it much easier to turn left and do so at a higher rate of speed. When you turn, assuming you stop pedaling, you tend to put more weight on the right side crank arm which helps keep the bike planted. I supposed it is possible those who are right handed would tend to put less pressure on the left crank while making a right turn. Hmm, such thought provoking stuff.
Most people are right handed, correct? Right-handed people tend to favor their right side, including stepping off on the right foot. I do find it much easier to turn left and do so at a higher rate of speed. When you turn, assuming you stop pedaling, you tend to put more weight on the right side crank arm which helps keep the bike planted. I supposed it is possible those who are right handed would tend to put less pressure on the left crank while making a right turn. Hmm, such thought provoking stuff.
04-19-11, 09:55 PM
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Let me turn off my B.S. for a minute because that actually makes me think seriously about this.
Most people are right handed, correct? Right-handed people tend to favor their right side, including stepping off on the right foot. I do find it much easier to turn left and do so at a higher rate of speed. When you turn, assuming you stop pedaling, you tend to put more weight on the right side crank arm which helps keep the bike planted. I supposed it is possible those who are right handed would tend to put less pressure on the left crank while making a right turn. Hmm, such thought provoking stuff.
Most people are right handed, correct? Right-handed people tend to favor their right side, including stepping off on the right foot. I do find it much easier to turn left and do so at a higher rate of speed. When you turn, assuming you stop pedaling, you tend to put more weight on the right side crank arm which helps keep the bike planted. I supposed it is possible those who are right handed would tend to put less pressure on the left crank while making a right turn. Hmm, such thought provoking stuff.
04-20-11, 06:21 AM
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That's all fine and dandy but did he know anything about stoves. Please try to stay on topic here.
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So if I leave it in the right side, I will only be able to ride in circles?
Let me school you on a bit of cycling history...
Tulio Campagnolo invented the quick release skewer. Tulio also studied bio-mechanics of the human body and already knew that the right side of the average human was .00347% heavier than the left side (this is the same reason most humans have a slightly larger right foot than left foot). By keeping the heavier end of the skewer on the left side of the bike, it cancels out much of this imbalance. This right side imbalance is also the reason velodromes are ridden counter-clockwise. If you ran clockwise such that the heavy side of the body was on the down sloping side of the track, it would be virtually impossible to ride on such a steep and high bank.
Tulio Campagnolo invented the quick release skewer. Tulio also studied bio-mechanics of the human body and already knew that the right side of the average human was .00347% heavier than the left side (this is the same reason most humans have a slightly larger right foot than left foot). By keeping the heavier end of the skewer on the left side of the bike, it cancels out much of this imbalance. This right side imbalance is also the reason velodromes are ridden counter-clockwise. If you ran clockwise such that the heavy side of the body was on the down sloping side of the track, it would be virtually impossible to ride on such a steep and high bank.
04-20-11, 06:35 PM
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04-20-11, 07:34 PM
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The Capital 30 in side oven (48 in range) is wide enough for commercial sheet pans. The dual oven 30 + 18 is similar to Dacor (large ovens both 4.6 cu ft). Wolf 30's are slightly narrower, a bit taller. I have tested them all using an oven thermometer, you get temp variations, even with Wolf digital controls.
Dacor 48 with 6 burners has wider grates, but burners are circular, so I think square 12 x 12 in grates can do the same cooking. Except Capital's 23k burners beat Dacor's 18k. Not restaurant grade by any means, but for meeting residential building/fire codes, it's the top one out there.
I went with a 48 in range, and 3 full ovens overall, plus a "baby" oven to allow us to do holiday cooking with 3-4 "chefs" having implements and space to work on their stuff simultaneously. We changed from an old Thermador 30 in electric element range with 2 big, 2 small burners and 2 ovens, people waiting their turn, having to reheat their dishes, and feeling they didn't get their best results. Now they have no excuses!
Dacor 48 with 6 burners has wider grates, but burners are circular, so I think square 12 x 12 in grates can do the same cooking. Except Capital's 23k burners beat Dacor's 18k. Not restaurant grade by any means, but for meeting residential building/fire codes, it's the top one out there.
I went with a 48 in range, and 3 full ovens overall, plus a "baby" oven to allow us to do holiday cooking with 3-4 "chefs" having implements and space to work on their stuff simultaneously. We changed from an old Thermador 30 in electric element range with 2 big, 2 small burners and 2 ovens, people waiting their turn, having to reheat their dishes, and feeling they didn't get their best results. Now they have no excuses!
04-20-11, 07:58 PM
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Tulio was a genius. He's been dead for 30 years. I think SRAM guys are pretty-darned-close-to-worthy innovation-minded successors. (I rode first-model 1962 Record back in the old days. It was amazing, relative to everything else available in the early 60s.)
All the mfrs make great stuff today. You're paying for brainpower in ideas and mfring materials and processes, and skill in mfring execution. They all have quite smooth shifting. If you like thumb "upshifts" (originally Shimano's idea for MTBs), go with Campy. Use the brake lever for "upshifts", go with Shimano's mechanical systems. Want to use only a single shift lever for all shifts, SRAM. Electronic, Shimano, is the only mfr offering this at the current time. Other mfrs are studying whether this is something they want to invest in. They may or may decline. Bicycling isn't like driving a car, it's for exercising your muscles, not for making it possible for you to cellphone/text, drink your coffee/eat a fast-food-lunch and get somewhere simultaneously.
All the mfrs make great stuff today. You're paying for brainpower in ideas and mfring materials and processes, and skill in mfring execution. They all have quite smooth shifting. If you like thumb "upshifts" (originally Shimano's idea for MTBs), go with Campy. Use the brake lever for "upshifts", go with Shimano's mechanical systems. Want to use only a single shift lever for all shifts, SRAM. Electronic, Shimano, is the only mfr offering this at the current time. Other mfrs are studying whether this is something they want to invest in. They may or may decline. Bicycling isn't like driving a car, it's for exercising your muscles, not for making it possible for you to cellphone/text, drink your coffee/eat a fast-food-lunch and get somewhere simultaneously.
04-20-11, 08:17 PM
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Tulio was a genius. He's been dead for 30 years. I think SRAM guys are pretty-darned-close-to-worthy innovation-minded successors. (I rode first-model 1962 Record back in the old days. It was amazing, relative to everything else available in the early 60s.)
All the mfrs make great stuff today. You're paying for brainpower in ideas and mfring materials and processes, and skill in mfring execution. They all have quite smooth shifting. If you like thumb "upshifts" (originally Shimano's idea for MTBs), go with Campy. Use the brake lever for "upshifts", go with Shimano's mechanical systems. Want to use only a single shift lever for all shifts, SRAM. Electronic, Shimano, is the only mfr offering this at the current time. Other mfrs are studying whether this is something they want to invest in. They may or may decline. Bicycling isn't like driving a car, it's for exercising your muscles, not for making it possible for you to cellphone/text, drink your coffee/eat a fast-food-lunch and get somewhere simultaneously.
All the mfrs make great stuff today. You're paying for brainpower in ideas and mfring materials and processes, and skill in mfring execution. They all have quite smooth shifting. If you like thumb "upshifts" (originally Shimano's idea for MTBs), go with Campy. Use the brake lever for "upshifts", go with Shimano's mechanical systems. Want to use only a single shift lever for all shifts, SRAM. Electronic, Shimano, is the only mfr offering this at the current time. Other mfrs are studying whether this is something they want to invest in. They may or may decline. Bicycling isn't like driving a car, it's for exercising your muscles, not for making it possible for you to cellphone/text, drink your coffee/eat a fast-food-lunch and get somewhere simultaneously.
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04-20-11, 10:49 PM
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So they're trying to to one-up Shimano by a gear. That's good. Next-logical step evolution. No genius new breakthrough idea.
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Not what I'm saying. Campagnolo has been working on electronic shifting for nearly a decade and had it nearly ready to market a few years ago. At the same time, they were perfecting mechanical 11 speed and the economy tanked. So they shelved the 10 speed electronic group and released the 11 speed mechanical groups. Now the 11 speed electronic group is again nearly ready and is being tested by pro riders. So, the point is that electronic shifting is not something that Campy is "studying whether [it] is something they want to invest in." They've already placed that bet. And they are not "trying to one-up Shimano by a gear", they've done it.
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So, Campy is going to release something kind of like Di2 then?
Not what I'm saying. Campagnolo has been working on electronic shifting for nearly a decade and had it nearly ready to market a few years ago. At the same time, they were perfecting mechanical 11 speed and the economy tanked. So they shelved the 10 speed electronic group and released the 11 speed mechanical groups. Now the 11 speed electronic group is again nearly ready and is being tested by pro riders. So, the point is that electronic shifting is not something that Campy is "studying whether [it] is something they want to invest in." They've already placed that bet. And they are not "trying to one-up Shimano by a gear", they've done it.
04-21-11, 01:18 PM
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It will be interesting to see if the Campy electronic 11 goes on public sale later this year. Lots of room for evolution, like do you want it to shift automatically to maintain some crank-rpm range?
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