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Old 07-25-17, 06:08 AM
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there is NO WAY your dining room is that clean right now
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there is NO WAY your dining room is that clean right now
I moved the couch out of the way and took the picture in the living room
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Some slight changes before heading off to LA for elite nats next week...
Very Nice.

Is that the Navigator 5 spoke?

Also, what chainring bolt setup are you using? I recall the Omniums having a really thick crank spider requiring double (as opposed to single) chainring bolts. Do you use Doubles or Singles? If doubles, how do you keep the backs from spinning? If singles, are you OK with the 2 threads of purchase you get with the bolts?
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Very Nice.

Is that the Navigator 5 spoke?

Also, what chainring bolt setup are you using? I recall the Omniums having a really thick crank spider requiring double (as opposed to single) chainring bolts. Do you use Doubles or Singles? If doubles, how do you keep the backs from spinning? If singles, are you OK with the 2 threads of purchase you get with the bolts?
I haven't taken a close look at any of the Navigators, but a couple other guys at the track seem to think it's the same mold.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/700C...311.0.0.o4DX0D
I raced it tonight. I'm happy with the quality of it for what I paid, and it felt solid underneath me.

I just use the Origin8 single speed steel chainring bolts. They definitely catch more than two threads, and I've never had any trouble with them. That being said, it's been a few years since I've used the stock 48t chainring which appears a bit thicker than the Salsa 50t and Dura Ace 51t that stay on the bike year round.
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Old 07-25-17, 09:29 PM
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That's awesome.

But here's why I (personally) have a concern buying from sites like that. I went to zoom in:



Then I enhanced:



Soooo...is this a Mavic Io for $350...or did they use pics of an Io and are passing it off as their product?
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I think you're looking in the wrong direction with the weight saving attitude. Is it not a sprint bike? For my own custom Duratec, going from 1.6mm tubing (alloy) to 2mm for added stiffness/strength only came at a penalty of 30g for the frame.

Hydroformed tubes are where it's at I think. The flaring out of the bottom of the down and seat tubes on my bike give a nice chunky interface to the BB that I'm sure adds stiffness, without the expense of big chunky tube profiles. I was really hesitant about going alloy but I'm absolutely blown away by how stiff my bike is and how it handles in comparison to my previous carbon bike. Especially given the sheer size of the thing and associated tube lengths. The only thing I am lacking is the standard round seat tube but I'm happy with the alloy one. It hasn't budged under my fat butt!



People take pictures of my bike and look, not because it's sexy but because it looks like something out of a freak show!
Wow! I totally missed this post!



This looks awesome. Care to share some of the geometry specs?
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Soooo...is this a Mavic Io for $350...or did they use pics of an Io and are passing it off as their product?
haha I didn't even notice the last image. The hub looks slightly different than the other two images which I find to be accurate with what I received. My guess is that it's either subliminal messaging to get you to think you are ordering the best or maybe it's an invitation to the secret menu that allows you to request mavic decals for your knock off.
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Originally Posted by theblackbullet View Post
haha I didn't even notice the last image. The hub looks slightly different than the other two images which I find to be accurate with what I received. My guess is that it's either subliminal messaging to get you to think you are ordering the best or maybe it's an invitation to the secret menu that allows you to request mavic decals for your knock off.
Heh. I definitely noticed somebody at DLV who had Mavic decals on a chinabron wheel.
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Originally Posted by theblackbullet View Post
haha I didn't even notice the last image. The hub looks slightly different than the other two images which I find to be accurate with what I received. My guess is that it's either subliminal messaging to get you to think you are ordering the best or maybe it's an invitation to the secret menu that allows you to request mavic decals for your knock off.
Hahaha,

BTW, I can confirm that it's not the same mold as the Navigator N5. The Navigator is a symmetrical, non-directional 5 spoke.



Yours and the Mavic Io are offset and directional.

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Heh. I definitely noticed somebody at DLV who had Mavic decals on a chinabron wheel.
If you're referring to Howard's, it should be noted that the chinabron survived the crash that asploded his headtube.
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wait... i have something for this!



I've actually seen head-on collisions fk up frames but leave front wheels intact several times.
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Wheels are inherently radially strong. Even cheap ones. Headtubes are just sleeves with a cheater bar/snipe passed through it.
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Old 07-26-17, 09:13 PM
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Getting closer. I forgot how much I love the Arione saddle.



Racing after 2 years off the bike (any bike) really sucks

I got to see @theblackbullet's 5 spoke. It's really nice. It really does remind me of the Io I once owned. It even has a really narrow rim bed like the older Io.
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Wow! I totally missed this post!



This looks awesome. Care to share some of the geometry specs?
I've lost the specs on this But the TT is 645 with a seat tube of 75. You can see the seat sits all the way back in the clamps as a result. Original plan was 74 but the required TT length was too big for Duratec to fit in their jig so we steepened the seat tube to get the reach we wanted. Still wanted another 1cm, but we settled with the slightly shorter frame and a 130mm stem. BB to top of saddle is 895mm
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I've lost the specs on this But the TT is 645 with a seat tube of 75. You can see the seat sits all the way back in the clamps as a result. Original plan was 74 but the required TT length was too big for Duratec to fit in their jig so we steepened the seat tube to get the reach we wanted. Still wanted another 1cm, but we settled with the slightly shorter frame and a 130mm stem. BB to top of saddle is 895mm
Thanks!

I bet it feels awesome compared to any off-the-rack bikes you've ridden in the past.

I went from riding a 56cm LOOK 496 to a 61cm Snyder. It's like going from wearing too-tight shoes to properly fitting ones.
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It feels unbelievable. I had also been saving up for a new road bike for years and stars aligned such that I got both the new track frame and road bike within a couple of months of each other. I also had myself fitted to both. Riding them was like an epiphany!
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Originally Posted by carleton View Post
Getting closer. I forgot how much I love the Arione saddle.

**pic of carleton's bike, can't post it because I'm a noob**

Racing after 2 years off the bike (any bike) really sucks

I got to see @theblackbullet's 5 spoke. It's really nice. It really does remind me of the Io I once owned. It even has a really narrow rim bed like the older Io.
Hi Carleton-

From someone just getting into the sport, thanks for all of the helpful info you post here.

I'm thinking about changing handlebars, and am curious what bars you're running on your bike. And how do they compare to the Scattos?

Thanks!

KRE
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Originally Posted by kings run east View Post
Hi Carleton-

From someone just getting into the sport, thanks for all of the helpful info you post here.

I'm thinking about changing handlebars, and am curious what bars you're running on your bike. And how do they compare to the Scattos?

Thanks!

KRE
No problem!

34cm Nitto B123 steel. But, I just recieved some 33cm Alpina bars as a birthday gift

This setup is 1lb lighter. So the bike should be about 18.75lbs (as a 61cm). I'll weigh it later to confirm. I got the 1lb difference by weighing the bar/stem combos individually.
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But, I just recieved some 33cm Alpina bars as a birthday gift
Nice! Are the decals removable?
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Just perused the whole thread and found out i had never posted!


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Originally Posted by kings run east View Post
Nice! Are the decals removable?
Unfortunately not. At least not easily. The stickers are under the clear coat.

Originally Posted by taras0000 View Post
Just perused the whole thread and found out i had never posted!

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Nice!
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But, I just recieved some 33cm Alpina bars as a birthday gift
Sexy setup! Congrats!

How's that going with that little bit tilted handlebar position?
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Sexy setup! Congrats!

How's that going with that little bit tilted handlebar position?
Thanks!

The tilt feels more comfortable as I don't pull from directly above now that I have a longer top tube. When I had a 56, 57, and 58cm TT, I'd pull from directly above. Now that I'm on a 61, I'm pulling from slightly behind.

I'm still tinkering with things, though.
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Probably mentioned elsewhere, but how tall are you Carleton?
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Probably mentioned elsewhere, but how tall are you Carleton?
6ft 1in (with a disproportionally long torso).
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