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Disc brakes are now the default on road bikes and no one cares

Old 02-25-20, 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
The profit maximizing strategy for the major manufacturers is to promote disk brakes so everyone thinks they have to buy a new complete bike instead of upgrading components on their old frame.
Well they'll never con me with their fancy marketing scams. My brakes work just fine, thank you.

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Old 02-25-20, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
the thing about the weight difference is that I don't give a **** about the weight, if it's a pound or less. The performance difference is huge, and my CF rims are no longer a consumable.
That's fine. Life's all about trade-offs and we don't all prefer the same things. Some people do care about an extra pound of weight. They now have to buy bare frames and build their rim brake bike themselves because the major manufacturers don't sell them anymore.
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Old 02-25-20, 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick View Post
Well they'll never con me with their fancy marketing scams. My brakes work just fine, thank you.
Are those wood rollers on the pedals?
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Old 02-25-20, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Aesthetics are purely personal, but discs with integrated hoses look waaaaay better than rim brakes, imo. The discs/calipers become part of the system and look like they belong there, instead of rim brakes looking like they were an afterthought, just bolted on after the bike was designed.

I certainly agree that preferences are purely personal. On the other hand, this 2018 classic geometry frame would look hideous with disk brakes.
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Old 02-25-20, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS View Post
A lot of brands now offer mostly disc brakes equipped bikes, in prebuilt form, so it's not like you have much choice if you want a prebuilt rim brake bike. Trek offers a very few rim brake bikes.
Most people who are complaining about it already have a rim brake bike.
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Old 02-25-20, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
That's fine. Life's all about trade-offs and we don't all prefer the same things. Some people do care about an extra pound of weight. They now have to buy bare frames and build their rim brake bike themselves because the major manufacturers don't sell them anymore.
I don't understand how all the people who care about half a pound, because that's a lot of weight, all live in flat places where disc brakes don't matter.
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Old 02-25-20, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
Nobody. A couple of people claimed that the difference is only 200g, which is not credible unless the marketers have their thumb on the scale of the rim-brake bike.
No one said the difference is 200g, just that it can be about 200g, e.g. my road bike has a 244g disc brake penalty.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
Apparently you've never tried disc brakes.

All rim brakes are ugly, with the exception of Campagnolo C-Record.

I have a couple bikes with disk brakes, and they do have some advantages, like a much cleaner operation in the rain (no black aluminum oxide debris). But when they squeak they are annoying. They do brake better when wet, but only marginally. And in dry conditions, a modern Campy setup will brake better. On the other hand, in steep descents, rim brakes will heat up the air in the inner tube, increasing the possibility of a failure, but only if you are not rolling tubeless.
Those Campy C-Record are very nice, but they don't brake as well as modern versions.
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Old 02-25-20, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by edscott. View Post
And in dry conditions, a modern Campy (rim) setup will brake better.
I would say that is not true. Rim brakes may work as well as disc in many conditions, but there are no conditions where they work better.
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Old 02-25-20, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
I don't understand how all the people who care about half a pound, because that's a lot of weight, all live in flat places where disc brakes don't matter.
My point is that the choice has been taken away for everyone who isn't interested in building their own bike. I personally don't care that much about a pound of weight either, but I have ridden thousands of miles on a bike with disk brakes and don't think the benefit of disk brakes is worth the extra weight or cost vs. my rim brake bikes.
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Old 02-25-20, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
My point is that the choice has been taken away for everyone who isn't interested in building their own bike.
The bike industry has been taking away your choices for decades. You might as well get used to it, because it's not going to change.
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Old 02-25-20, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
My point is that the choice has been taken away for everyone who isn't interested in building their own bike. I personally don't care that much about a pound of weight either, but I have ridden thousands of miles on a bike with disk brakes and don't think the benefit of disk brakes is worth the extra weight or cost vs. my rim brake bikes.
You live in Lake Forest Illinois. Im not surprised that you dont want disc brakes.
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Old 02-25-20, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
My point is that the choice has been taken away for everyone who isn't interested in building their own bike. I personally don't care that much about a pound of weight either, but I have ridden thousands of miles on a bike with disk brakes and don't think the benefit of disk brakes is worth the extra weight or cost vs. my rim brake bikes.
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​​​​​​At least you have a really cool classic/vintage 2019 bike.

I remember the good old days...
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Old 02-25-20, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by edscott. View Post
I certainly agree that preferences are purely personal. On the other hand, this 2018 classic geometry frame would look hideous with disk brakes.
No offense, but I think that Chorus crank looks worse on a vintage bike than disc brakes would.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
I would say that is not true. Rim brakes may work as well as disc in many conditions, but there are no conditions where they work better.
A moot point, considering tires are the weak link in the braking chain of events. Check this out:
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Originally Posted by edscott. View Post
A moot point, considering tires are the weak link in the braking chain of events.
If tires are the weak link, then how could rim brakes ever outperform disc brakes?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
No offense, but I think that Chorus crank looks worse on a vintage bike than disc brakes would.
No offense taken. Yeah, they suck, but they came with the groupset. I also had to re torque the inner chain ring 3 times to get rid of a creaking sound, probably due to the carbon spacers between the chainrings. I'm looking forward to swap the crankset for an aluminum set as soon as a 48/32 combination is available for 12 speeds.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
If tires are the weak link, then how could rim brakes ever outperform disc brakes?
Using disc brakes with the wrong type of tires for the terrain?
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Originally Posted by edscott. View Post
Using disc brakes with the wrong type of tires for the terrain?
You started out by stating Campy rim brakes outperform disc brakes in dry conditions. Now you're saying rim brakes outperform disc brakes if the bike with disc brakes has the wrong tires? I guess I can't argue with that.
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Rim brakes massively outperform disc brakes if you install rim-brake wheels on the bike.
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Originally Posted by edscott. View Post
A moot point, considering tires are the weak link in the braking chain of events. Check this out:
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It's not a moot point. Disc brakes work better in wet conditions.
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Originally Posted by edscott. View Post
I have a couple bikes with disk brakes, and they do have some advantages, like a much cleaner operation in the rain (no black aluminum oxide debris). But when they squeak they are annoying. They do brake better when wet, but only marginally. And in dry conditions, a modern Campy setup will brake better. On the other hand, in steep descents, rim brakes will heat up the air in the inner tube, increasing the possibility of a failure, but only if you are not rolling tubeless.
Those Campy C-Record are very nice, but they don't brake as well as modern versions.
You almost got the point. Those C-Records are designed to not heat up the rims to dangerous levels.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
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​​​​​​At least you have a really cool classic/vintage 2019 bike.

I remember the good old days...
LOL. I dont have anything nearly that modern. Just a slow middle-aged guy from the north shore with a bunch of old bikes.
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Originally Posted by edscott. View Post
A moot point, considering tires are the weak link in the braking chain of events. Check this out:
Disc brakes allow bigger tires (I'm on 33 mm) which have a bigger contact patch, giving more grip.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
Disc brakes allow bigger tires (I'm on 33 mm) which have a bigger contact patch, giving more grip.
Another myth. Frame limits tire size not the type of brake. I've got 40mm tires on a bike with side-pulls and 54mm on a bike with cantis. Both bikes Have adequate stopping power for the north shore of Chicago.
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