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Old 03-12-24, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Other than the official name, what does UCI stand for?

Unequivocal Cycling Interference?
Useless Cycling Infrastructure?
Upright Cycles Infinitely!
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Originally Posted by Mtracer
I think the UCI idea of a bike being a production bike is a pretty good way to do things. It keeps teams from being dominated by an arms race that will always be won by the team with the deepest pockets.
True. It could look like F1 with 2million dollar bikes that weigh 2 pounds.
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Originally Posted by skidder
Round metal tube frames were used in UCI races up until about 2000 (aluminum), and some aluminum bikes had aero-shaped frame tubes (Trek's "hydroformed" tubing comes to mind) but a lot of other features on bicycles have changed since the 1920s, too. You can still buy a metal-framed bicycle but its not going to have the cutting-edge components on it you'll find in more modern bicycles. For comparison, have you ever tried to drive a 1920s car versus a 2020 car? It's a world of difference. If today's cars were made like those of the 1920s very few folks would be driving them.
That is simply incorrect, cutting edge components go on any frame.

lots of production titanium, aluminum and steel (all metal framed) bikes out there with disc, electronic shifting etc

that is not even taking into account custom frames (I ride a custom steel with R8000....that was a choice I could have gone disc and di2)
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Originally Posted by icemilkcoffee
They want to ensure the bicycles are production bicycles that regular people can buy, but somehow the tires are allowed to be special one-off 'prototype' tires.
Ten years ago Trek made a production 10.25 pound bike. So the weight rule seems a bit arbitrary...
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The notion of a pack of 'bents in a sprint, climbing the Alps or circling the Champs is amusing.
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Originally Posted by skidder
Round metal tube frames were used in UCI races up until about 2000 (aluminum), and some aluminum bikes had aero-shaped frame tubes (Trek's "hydroformed" tubing comes to mind) but a lot of other features on bicycles have changed since the 1920s, too. You can still buy a metal-framed bicycle but its not going to have the cutting-edge components on it you'll find in more modern bicycles. For comparison, have you ever tried to drive a 1920s car versus a 2020 car? It's a world of difference. If today's cars were made like those of the 1920s very few folks would be driving them.
You say that like it would be a bad thing.

A 1920's car you could repair with a hammer, screwdriver, and crescent wrench, 2020 not so much
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Originally Posted by dedhed
You say that like it would be a bad thing.

A 1920's car you could repair with a hammer, screwdriver, and crescent wrench, 2020 not so much
And you had to repair them often. Sometimes every other weekend. I'd even say the cars of the 50's and 60's had us doing lots of DIY often or taking them to the shop often.
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A couple of things spring to mind that I would take great pleasure in repairing with a hammer and a screwdriver
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I really thought this was going to be about those hideous helmets, entertaining nonetheless, didn't know Louis XVI "headed" the UCI...
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Originally Posted by dedhed
You say that like it would be a bad thing.

A 1920's car you could repair with a hammer, screwdriver, and crescent wrench, 2020 not so much
Yeah, car development has gone massively downhill over the last century. Or has it?
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Yeah, car development has gone massively downhill over the last century. Or has it?
Especially true for crash survivability. Rotten crumple zones, tempered glass, automatic emergency braking and air bags. Must be satan’s spawn. 👹
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Originally Posted by JohnDThompson
Their race; their rules.
It really is a rules-of-the-game issue. Look at UCI cyclocross. That is an entire category of bike that exists solely because of arbitrary rules-of-the-game. 33mm tires? But (some) people love the game made by the rules.

If you don't like the rules, start a company that runs gravel or endurance races.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Yeah, car development has gone massively downhill over the last century. Or has it?

...spoken like someone who has never had to diagnose a non obvious networking problem in one of the current models.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...spoken like someone who has never had to diagnose a non obvious networking problem in one of the current models.
I wonder. If there had been internet car forums back in the 1920s, would there have been Retro Grouches complaining about hydraulic brakes? "I've never had a problem with rod-operated brakes! It's a solution to a non-existent problem!"
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I wonder. If there had been internet car forums back in the 1920s, would there have been Retro Grouches complaining about hydraulic brakes? "I've never had a problem with rod-operated brakes! It's a solution to a non-existent problem!"
Yeah. Henry Ford.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
...spoken like someone who has never had to diagnose a non obvious networking problem in one of the current models.
That’s right. Not my job or problem. Only buying stuff that you can fix yourself with a hammer, wrench and screwdriver would be pretty limiting.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Only buying stuff that you can fix yourself with a hammer, wrench and screwdriver would be pretty limiting.
But very satisfying.
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Originally Posted by smd4
But very satisfying.
That depends on the intended use and functionality. In my use case a 1920s car would be extremely frustrating on every functional level. Being able to fix it with a few simple tools would be of no consolation.
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Originally Posted by smd4
Yeah. Henry Ford.
He had other beliefs that would align him with too much of Social Media....
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
That depends on the intended use and functionality. In my use case a 1920s car would be extremely frustrating on every functional level. Being able to fix it with a few simple tools would be of no consolation.
I owned an MGB when I was younger. Perfect example of "able to fix it with a few simple tools". The problem was how often I had to deploy them.

My current car is 10 years old, and in 130,000 miles has never failed me. It goes in for service once a year. It doesn't even need oil added over that year. I can rely on it to get me wherever I want to go without carrying a toolkit with me.

I still sometimes have a nostalgic pang for my MGB, but I think all I'd need to do would be to drive one for a few miles, and that would go away.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
That’s right. Not my job or problem. Only buying stuff that you can fix yourself with a hammer, wrench and screwdriver would be pretty limiting.
...yeah. There's no middle ground here. Apologies, I momentarily forgot which forum I was posting in.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I wonder. If there had been internet car forums back in the 1920s, would there have been Retro Grouches complaining about hydraulic brakes? "I've never had a problem with rod-operated brakes! It's a solution to a non-existent problem!"
...in the 1920's, I'm pretty sure the retro grouches would have still been praising horses. Cheaper to buy and you can run them on hay from the back 40. Try that with your Hupmobile, buddy.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
That depends on the intended use and functionality. In my use case a 1920s car would be extremely frustrating on every functional level. Being able to fix it with a few simple tools would be of no consolation.
I think it also depends on if you like to tinker with things. I enjoy working on all aspects of my bike, luckily.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I owned an MGB when I was younger. Perfect example of "able to fix it with a few simple tools". The problem was how often I had to deploy them.

My current car is 10 years old, and in 130,000 miles has never failed me. It goes in for service once a year. It doesn't even need oil added over that year. I can rely on it to get me wherever I want to go without carrying a toolkit with me.

I still sometimes have a nostalgic pang for my MGB, but I think all I'd need to do would be to drive one for a few miles, and that would go away.
i every once in a while think about getting a MG/Triumph or similar....then i think 1) how would i like being divorced 2)how much less time I would have for cycling and 3) Why to the Brits drink warm beer........Lucas makes refrigerators also (or Lucas Prince of darkness) and 4) it would look like a clown car with me in it
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...spoken like someone who has never had to diagnose a non obvious networking problem in one of the current models.
BMW much?.... "Oh, I have codes for you, but first you must answer 3 questions".....
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